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Post by Nemesis_1982 on Apr 22, 2018 10:08:37 GMT
Regarding overall strength Between Wight, Devil Hunter, Berserker, Predator... how would YOU rank them from best to worst?? (just curious)
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Post by dendeze on Apr 22, 2018 11:08:36 GMT
Wight, Berserker, Predator, Devil Hunter
Wight win without question Berserker is best for GM Predator is good against VS since i you damage hero and the summon takes the damage it also decrease the enemy rage (less frequent Requiem) Devil Hunter (imho) is just really bad
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Post by Nemesis_1982 on May 9, 2018 5:01:44 GMT
I forgot... where would Paw Master fit in?
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Post by dendeze on May 9, 2018 6:17:30 GMT
Wight, Berserker, Paw Master, Predator, Devil Hunter
Paw Master is good for grimoire or even guildmap His fiery elixer is good for mid game to kill rebirth crits
If you can build a deck where Paw uses his elixer allways on the same crit, that crit can do massage dammage. You can kill GM in 1 go with paw and oct. (there is a thread somewhere)
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Post by ningthou on May 9, 2018 7:05:17 GMT
Wight and Berserker, the two best 4 star heroes are pretty much toe to toe.
I had say Wight is only slightly better. Berserker with a neander boost deck- Nidhoggs, Cyclops Disposal, Oinari,Bb8 and fa graboids, fa twins are a nightmare for other 4 star heroes and decks.
Predator lvl 10 with a faen healing deck is better than a Paw master level 10.
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Post by ruklo on May 9, 2018 9:52:27 GMT
Predator lvl 10 with a faen healing deck is better than a Paw master level 10. also you could use injured creatures to rage control
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Post by skal75 on May 9, 2018 16:47:44 GMT
the question is not that easy fellows. All in all, Wight is the most powerful since it has both destruction and undying.
But there are exceptions, or prerequisite to give more victory conditions to your Predator/berserker
- Predator lvl 10 can beat all of them if your enemy plays voodoo - and your lvl 10 grizzli is on board - it's gonna be very hard for him to win especially if you heal your grizzli every turn . The funny thing is your predator has probably more chances to win if it has a bad start. Grizzli will come, hold the board for one or two turns, reducing hero's rage, and the game can change if healers come into play.
- Berserker needs to grow to win. That's why the natural neander deck is FA based. It has a slight advantage against full faen, since there's only one bullseye faen crit. I used to play 2 I9 michaels in my immune healing faen deck in tourney for this reason (and also because healing faens are poor damagers in general). Against wight, if boars start coming every turn, then wight has big chance to target one, which weakens its efficiency.
Btw, I'm around 1200-1400 in tourney (best score 950), still playing berserker and Wight. Needless to say I love these 3 heroes. Truth is at highest levels, healing becomes too weak against creatures hitting at 3000. At these levels, you need to hit hard, control enemy's rage and rebirth...
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Post by squirreleyez on May 9, 2018 19:37:45 GMT
the question is not that easy fellows. All in all, Wight is the most powerful since it has both destruction and undying. But there are exceptions, or prerequisite to give more victory conditions to your Predator/berserker - Predator lvl 10 can beat all of them if your enemy plays voodoo - and your lvl 10 grizzli is on board - it's gonna be very hard for him to win especially if you heal your grizzli every turn . The funny thing is your predator has probably more chances to win if it has a bad start. Grizzli will come, hold the board for one or two turns, reducing hero's rage, and the game can change if healers come into play. - Berserker needs to grow to win. That's why the natural neander deck is FA based. It has a slight advantage against full faen, since there's only one bullseye faen crit. I used to play 2 I9 michaels in my immune healing faen deck in tourney for this reason (and also because healing faens are poor damagers in general). Against wight, if boars start coming every turn, then wight has big chance to target one, which weakens its efficiency. Btw, I'm around 1200-1400 in tourney (best score 950), still playing berserker and Wight. Needless to say I love these 3 heroes. Truth is at highest levels, healing becomes too weak against creatures hitting at 3000. At these levels, you need to hit hard, control enemy's rage and rebirth... At level 10 Berserker, the boars are immune to retreats as well
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Post by ningthou on May 9, 2018 19:41:58 GMT
Not only retreats- Every negative effects and some hero skills--> Odins Divine Wrath, Devil Hunters Entangle, etc.
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Post by bryanfury on Sept 20, 2018 10:24:26 GMT
How is Dragon Rider compared to Wight / Berserk? Can we still assume that Berserk and Wight are the strongest ? (Since im farming 4* hero shards)
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Post by ruklo on Sept 20, 2018 12:39:19 GMT
How is Dragon Rider compared to Wight / Berserk? Can we still assume that Berserk and Wight are the strongest ? (Since im farming 4* hero shards) If you are farming your first heroe, Wight is the way to go. Once they are leveled to 10 (in 1 1/2 years approx) then depends on the deck you play. For example I think (from deck duels) that Predator 10 is better than Wight 10 - for deck duels. (because for the rest, probably you should have a 5* heroe) Predators ability to control rage, is very good.
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Post by bryanfury on Sept 20, 2018 13:47:22 GMT
How is Dragon Rider compared to Wight / Berserk? Can we still assume that Berserk and Wight are the strongest ? (Since im farming 4* hero shards) If you are farming your first heroe, Wight is the way to go. Once they are leveled to 10 (in 1 1/2 years approx) then depends on the deck you play. For example I think (from deck duels) that Predator 10 is better than Wight 10 - for deck duels. (because for the rest, probably you should have a 5* heroe) Predators ability to control rage, is very good. Actually I have the Predator, but don´t have any other 4 or 5 star hero, I will take a deeper look on these, thanks!
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Sept 21, 2018 15:37:00 GMT
How is Dragon Rider compared to Wight / Berserk? Can we still assume that Berserk and Wight are the strongest ? (Since im farming 4* hero shards) The summoned creatures get extra skills at L5 and L10 just like your other creatures, for example zerker boars get thier attack stacking at L5 - so only then are they useful in GM. At L10 they get resist that negates all negative status effects. Base skills also improve with levels. Predator Grizzlys damage reduction ramps up, it gets a heal at 5 and gets a big damage reduction for itself at L10.
Dragon riders burn and attack increse are not so powerful alone as they die easily, but the dragon gets a decent survival skill at L10 that makes it more powerful. Its also really good to do a sneak deck with, as you get burns going off the whole way through the fight in protracted engaugements.
The puppet isn't really worth mentioning.
Wright is strongest at mid levels for the usual deck stuff and a decent levelled grizzly is strong as a faen deck. Beserker gets spikey bits but otherwise is stronger in GM where the attack building is given time to shine. Dragon is good with things like sneak, but acn feel weak at lower levels (as can predator).
You want a mid level royal guard for Protean Grimoure later, and paw master has some interesting attack stacking antics that can be really strong when combined with Octavius - its also a good place to put spikey bits if you run beserker in GM.
All in all, don't worry too much about levelling 4*s beyond those that see use in the later game (eg grimoure, GM etc) and concecntrate on getting 5* shards (mine, tourney, trials, gauntlet). Invest that GP into getting V runes and upgrading them. Good runes can move creature to creature as you get better ones, but you cannot transfer hero GP investments.
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Post by bryanfury on Sept 21, 2018 16:26:11 GMT
How is Dragon Rider compared to Wight / Berserk? Can we still assume that Berserk and Wight are the strongest ? (Since im farming 4* hero shards) The summoned creatures get extra skills at L5 and L10 just like your other creatures, for example zerker boars get thier attack stacking at L5 - so only then are they useful in GM. At L10 they get resist that negates all negative status effects. Base skills also improve with levels. Predator Grizzlys damage reduction ramps up, it gets a heal at 5 and gets a big damage reduction for itself at L10.
Dragon riders burn and attack increse are not so powerful alone as they die easily, but the dragon gets a decent survival skill at L10 that makes it more powerful. Its also really good to do a sneak deck with, as you get burns going off the whole way through the fight in protracted engaugements.
The puppet isn't really worth mentioning.
Wright is strongest at mid levels for the usual deck stuff and a decent levelled grizzly is strong as a faen deck. Beserker gets spikey bits but otherwise is stronger in GM where the attack building is given time to shine. Dragon is good with things like sneak, but acn feel weak at lower levels (as can predator).
You want a mid level royal guard for Protean Grimoure later, and paw master has some interesting attack stacking antics that can be really strong when combined with Octavius - its also a good place to put spikey bits if you run beserker in GM.
All in all, don't worry too much about levelling 4*s beyond those that see use in the later game (eg grimoure, GM etc) and concecntrate on getting 5* shards (mine, tourney, trials, gauntlet). Invest that GP into getting V runes and upgrading them. Good runes can move creature to creature as you get better ones, but you cannot transfer hero GP investments.
Thank you for the info, I will save those GP for runes then and focus on a 5* hero (I will get all 4* eventually by doing mines etc. ).
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Post by dendeze on Oct 15, 2018 9:01:29 GMT
Not only retreats- Every negative effects and some hero skills--> Odins Divine Wrath, Devil Hunters Entangle, etc. Don't forget, immune to requiem, it looks like it is affected that is only a visual, it still attacks.
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