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Post by scubasteve on Jul 31, 2018 5:40:27 GMT
First time poster, been playing DH for about a year now and lurking around this forum for tips and tricks.
Gotta say, yall been really helpful.
So anyway I did the two time trans event for one of em, the one with Pegasus lord, cleric, flame Master and pit priest and I scored a frixkin' Great Mystic. Just thought I d let the community know, I couldn't believe it, it's surreal like that time I got kumhino from the mines.
So, standard advice here is to meld the revive on to something else right?
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Post by dendeze on Jul 31, 2018 6:20:56 GMT
Yes meld it away as soon as possible, GM is crap (besides revive ofcourse)
Good options are: Bloodletter, Nidghoge, mimir , fafnir, pontiff Better option: Drone
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Post by 4marissa on Jul 31, 2018 6:21:26 GMT
Well done. I think this is the only time you IGG gives you something decent for failing.
Yes, meld the revive onto something else. Mythril drone is most popular.
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Post by 4marissa on Jul 31, 2018 6:22:05 GMT
Anything with Immunity or rebirth are decent carriers until you have a permanent place.
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Post by scubasteve on Jul 31, 2018 7:31:43 GMT
Well done. I think this is the only time you IGG gives you something decent for failing. Yes, meld the revive onto something else. Mythril drone is most popular. Either that or IGG felt the heat when I installed hearthstone.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Jul 31, 2018 13:00:37 GMT
My first mystic dropped from a gem mine chest. I did get a dahlia out of transmute once though, which was nice.
MD is the best F2P meld for a first revive, though if you have another kumhino, she would be good to yolo. Nothing wrong with a few yolo attempts if you have the cards to try it with.
While you are farming up to be able to get a good carrier, put revive on something decent in the mean time - just use a good 5* you have lots of and has some decent protection, I used bloodletter and found it very good. I have my second still on pontiff but I'm not actively trying to move it yet (maybe to Mimir?).
People usually have multiple unused cards from the following: bloodletter, pontiff, niddhogg, spirit siren, even terror dragon could work short term I guess. Fafnir, Mimir, Mythril Drone, Kum/Kit, dragonlord, flame summoner or similar are all popluar options. Best options have some protection to retreat/disposal (Immunity/stoneskin) and some protection from attack damage (dodge/block/rampart/hp stacking/strong heal) OR they have some rebirth mechanic (deathless+rebirth/gemini). A temporary carreir should be strong in at least one of these, preferably agaisnt retreat/disposal if you only have 1 - you are pretty likely to bump into lots of rQT or insta/disposal at first revive combat levels. Survivability is everything, damage is practically irrelevant.
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Post by scubasteve on Jul 31, 2018 17:23:10 GMT
My first mystic dropped from a gem mine chest. I did get a dahlia out of transmute once though, which was nice. MD is the best F2P meld for a first revive, though if you have another kumhino, she would be good to yolo. Nothing wrong with a few yolo attempts if you have the cards to try it with. While you are farming up to be able to get a good carrier, put revive on something decent in the mean time - just use a good 5* you have lots of and has some decent protection, I used bloodletter and found it very good. I have my second still on pontiff but I'm not actively trying to move it yet (maybe to Mimir?). People usually have multiple unused cards from the following: bloodletter, pontiff, niddhogg, spirit siren, even terror dragon could work short term I guess. Fafnir, Mimir, Mythril Drone, Kum/Kit, dragonlord, flame summoner or similar are all popluar options. Best options have some protection to retreat/disposal (Immunity/stoneskin) and some protection from attack damage (dodge/block/rampart/hp stacking/strong heal) OR they have some rebirth mechanic (deathless+rebirth/gemini). A temporary carreir should be strong in at least one of these, preferably agaisnt retreat/disposal if you only have 1 - you are pretty likely to bump into lots of rQT or insta/disposal at first revive combat levels. Survivability is everything, damage is practically irrelevant. I have no extra copies of those. I'll just have to farm another Horned Beast. And extra copies. I think this will be a shorter distance than the Drones. Be easier to get the HB daily because of the dungeons rather than the one or two shards I would generate from the mines for Drone.
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Post by drf on Jul 31, 2018 18:00:27 GMT
Revive can only be melded on to 5 star cards, sorry, no Horned Beast. If you are max Alice Bond, Drone copies are fairly quick to farm through the highest mine to the first chest.
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Post by scubasteve on Jul 31, 2018 18:48:59 GMT
Revive can only be melded on to 5 star cards, sorry, no Horned Beast. If you are max Alice Bond, Drone copies are fairly quick to farm through the highest mine to the first chest. I am disappoint. This is gonna take a while.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 1, 2018 13:14:33 GMT
I have no extra copies of those. I'll just have to farm another Horned Beast. And extra copies. I think this will be a shorter distance than the Drones. Be easier to get the HB daily because of the dungeons rather than the one or two shards I would generate from the mines for Drone.
Yeah sorry about that, its 5*only as others have stated. HB revive would be fantastic, which is why the old favorite was fafnir, whom has a similar skillset.
What 5*'s do you have a few copies of?
You can fairly quickly farm up a few of those crits in GMs 1-3. I provided a list of various desirable criteria for revive carriers, so having only 1 decent defensive skill will be an improvement over GM until you can farm a proper carrier.
Drone is a fair amount of farm away (blocking SA progress to get it), if you have waith then its OK. Gem mine first chest will indeed speed up drone fragments. Fafnir and Mimir are good options if your guild can get those maps open regularly - but they may be focused on map 6 for paragon, which has no good carriers. Draw all you coupons (have a smurf FB account so you get coupons every time you get a 4/5* crit) you will draw spirit siren/niddhogg/bloodletter fairly regularly from there.
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Post by dendeze on Aug 1, 2018 13:37:18 GMT
I have no extra copies of those. I'll just have to farm another Horned Beast. And extra copies. I think this will be a shorter distance than the Drones. Be easier to get the HB daily because of the dungeons rather than the one or two shards I would generate from the mines for Drone.
Yeah sorry about that, its 5*only as others have stated. HB revive would be fantastic, which is why the old favorite was fafnir, whom has a similar skillset.
What 5*'s do you have a few copies of?
You can fairly quickly farm up a few of those crits in GMs 1-3. I provided a list of various desirable criteria for revive carriers, so having only 1 decent defensive skill will be an improvement over GM until you can farm a proper carrier.
Drone is a fair amount of farm away (blocking SA progress to get it), if you have waith then its OK. Gem mine first chest will indeed speed up drone fragments. Fafnir and Mimir are good options if your guild can get those maps open regularly - but they may be focused on map 6 for paragon, which has no good carriers. Draw all you coupons (have a smurf FB account so you get coupons every time you get a 4/5* crit) you will draw spirit siren/niddhogg/bloodletter fairly regularly from there.
I said this before and I will repeat myself untill it is general knowledge. You don't need a smurf FB account. Do it on your normal account, just don't post it. Tap the share on FB button (when you get the 4 / 5 * card), when the facebook popup pops up just tap the 'back' button on your phone which will result in a new dialog with 'cancel' and 'discard', pick discard. BAM free coupon and a clean FB Only tested it on Android.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 1, 2018 13:49:36 GMT
I said this before and I will repeat myself untill it is general knowledge. You don't need a smurf FB account. Do it on your normal account, just don't post it. Tap the share on FB button (when you get the 4 / 5 * card), when the facebook popup pops up just tap the 'back' button on your phone which will result in a new dialog with 'cancel' and 'discard', pick discard. BAM free coupon and a clean FB Only tested it on Android. Good advice for actual facebooks users, for me this smurf account is my facebook account - harvest that data!
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Post by dendeze on Aug 1, 2018 13:56:01 GMT
I said this before and I will repeat myself untill it is general knowledge. You don't need a smurf FB account. Do it on your normal account, just don't post it. Tap the share on FB button (when you get the 4 / 5 * card), when the facebook popup pops up just tap the 'back' button on your phone which will result in a new dialog with 'cancel' and 'discard', pick discard. BAM free coupon and a clean FB Only tested it on Android. Good advice for actual facebooks users, for me this smurf account is my facebook account - harvest that data! Mea Culpa, I misstook smurf account as a second FB account. On topic before gramps taps me on the fingers again: This is the way i got my first Great Mystic In on other topic 'How to get your first revive' I also stated that transmutation is imo the easiest methode of getting a revive.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 1, 2018 15:16:21 GMT
This is the way i got my first Great Mystic In on other topic 'How to get your first revive' I also stated that transmutation is imo the easiest methode of getting a revive. I would argue that cannot be true. Most transmutes are locked by rarer 4* crits, so you need to gem-lock to keep a supply. Then you can only roll as long as you have enough or the more readily available crits.
The other aspect is how rare a failed transmute returns a revive. I got a rec2 out of it, but I cannot remember another 5* fail. If we had some harder numbers on the drop rate and card pool we might be able to make a case. I think plenty of the more established players might shed some light on transmuting - but they tend to warn against it. We do have enough tales of 'good fails' to say its worth transmuting if you have the crits I suggest. Not sure its enough to dedicate gems to though. You are talking 30-40K gems from the mines - but it would require a lot of energy to afrm the other sacrifices as well. Maybe you could work out an estimated cost per attempt in gems + energy (and which trans is the best option, based on creature availability)
I get that you got your first from there, so you would advise others to do the same. I got mine from 3rd mine 3rd chest in a crazy and reckless move. I don't suggest anyone else do that! But 1st chest is the most valid aim for a drop, because at least you will get one eventually from shard drops - the drop rate on shards is high enough to consider the route a 'guarantee'.
Considering the old advice for this (when I started playing) was human boosters, perhaps a bit more solid info on this option would be good.
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Post by dendeze on Aug 2, 2018 6:29:12 GMT
This is the way i got my first Great Mystic In on other topic 'How to get your first revive' I also stated that transmutation is imo the easiest methode of getting a revive. I would argue that cannot be true. Most transmutes are locked by rarer 4* crits, so you need to gem-lock to keep a supply. Then you can only roll as long as you have enough or the more readily available crits.
The other aspect is how rare a failed transmute returns a revive. I got a rec2 out of it, but I cannot remember another 5* fail. If we had some harder numbers on the drop rate and card pool we might be able to make a case. I think plenty of the more established players might shed some light on transmuting - but they tend to warn against it. We do have enough tales of 'good fails' to say its worth transmuting if you have the crits I suggest. Not sure its enough to dedicate gems to though. You are talking 30-40K gems from the mines - but it would require a lot of energy to afrm the other sacrifices as well. Maybe you could work out an estimated cost per attempt in gems + energy (and which trans is the best option, based on creature availability)
I get that you got your first from there, so you would advise others to do the same. I got mine from 3rd mine 3rd chest in a crazy and reckless move. I don't suggest anyone else do that! But 1st chest is the most valid aim for a drop, because at least you will get one eventually from shard drops - the drop rate on shards is high enough to consider the route a 'guarantee'.
Considering the old advice for this (when I started playing) was human boosters, perhaps a bit more solid info on this option would be good.
I do transmutation everytime i have the crits. I have spend 400 gems on transmutation (and yes that is the exact amount), locking one crit down, so that i can transmute again. Getting a failed transmutation revive card is rare, no argument there, but with coupon draw I get a lot of those crits needed for transmutation, so maybe my luck resides there.. Currently i don't have any use for energy besides LR and mines. The rest i use to unlock the 4* needed for transmuation. Since I only started AB on lvl 90 i'm still not on first chest third mine (i kinde missed that train) .. But that is sort of a guaranted way of getting a revive and recycle 2 ... If you have the gems to spend do the mine, the chance is probably bigger but will take a lot longer. (on the off chance your luck is good) I currently have two revives and got them both from transmutation without spending gems (or at least not a lot) Exact numbers i can't give you unfortunately. I didn't keep a log. I would advise people to do transmutation if they have the crits, or else use left over energy to gather the shards for the crits.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 2, 2018 12:20:33 GMT
Its hard to say that a transmute revive will take a shorter time to farm than a mine revive - although your 2 pulls from transmute is encouraging. We are talking a few months to farm from the mines, there is the obvious expense, but you also get lots of other useful bits from the mine.
The question is whether your transmute experience is expected or unexpected. I have done a fair few transmutes, but I rarely have gone farming for attempts. Perhaps other players have had similar drops to you - or conversely nothing at all, despite considerable investment.
Which transmute is the best to farm for?
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Post by dendeze on Aug 6, 2018 6:59:30 GMT
That is the big question which i can't give a definite answer to. I try for Sylph (Oracle, Pale Dragon ,Icy Huntress, Bloody Lord) Lady Bloom (Cleric, Pegasus Lord, Flame Master, Pit Priest) Kitsune (Royal Dancer, Dream Guide, Neamazon, Delilah) Arcane Knight (Icy Mage, Flame Brave, Flame Master, Plague Dragon) Bewitcher (Grand Mage, Naga Mistress, Tauro General, Dullahan)
Whenever i have the crits. But like I said, the 'garantee' methode would still be the mines.
Transmutation is pure 'luck' based, so i would only advise it if you have the crits.
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Post by japoon on Aug 6, 2018 7:27:48 GMT
The successful rate is 0.01% or even less
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 6, 2018 14:00:01 GMT
The successful rate is 0.01% or even less so 99.99% chance to get a go at a revive!
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 6, 2018 14:07:38 GMT
That is the big question which i can't give a definite answer to. I try for Sylph (Oracle, Pale Dragon ,Icy Huntress, Bloody Lord) Lady Bloom (Cleric, Pegasus Lord, Flame Master, Pit Priest) Kitsune (Royal Dancer, Dream Guide, Neamazon, Delilah) Arcane Knight (Icy Mage, Flame Brave, Flame Master, Plague Dragon) Bewitcher (Grand Mage, Naga Mistress, Tauro General, Dullahan) Whenever i have the crits. But like I said, the 'garantee' methode would still be the mines. Transmutation is pure 'luck' based, so i would only advise it if you have the crits. Well, you want a million oracles for Grimore, Flame master, delilah are farmable with time. Dullahan is on OK card and pretty rare, flame brave doesn't drop so often. You might use a few dream guides for Imm9's - especially earlier on. The rest of the cards I have plenty, but would a lower level player have enough to push for a failed revive?
I would say if you har farm flame, lady bloom is the easiest - you can also do a few Arcane kinght using a gem lock on flame.
Think a few of these drop shards from the token mall.
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Post by dendeze on Aug 7, 2018 6:16:20 GMT
That is the big question which i can't give a definite answer to. I try for Sylph (Oracle, Pale Dragon ,Icy Huntress, Bloody Lord) Lady Bloom (Cleric, Pegasus Lord, Flame Master, Pit Priest) Kitsune (Royal Dancer, Dream Guide, Neamazon, Delilah) Arcane Knight (Icy Mage, Flame Brave, Flame Master, Plague Dragon) Bewitcher (Grand Mage, Naga Mistress, Tauro General, Dullahan) Whenever i have the crits. But like I said, the 'garantee' methode would still be the mines. Transmutation is pure 'luck' based, so i would only advise it if you have the crits. Well, you want a million oracles for Grimore, Flame master, delilah are farmable with time. Dullahan is on OK card and pretty rare, flame brave doesn't drop so often. You might use a few dream guides for Imm9's - especially earlier on. The rest of the cards I have plenty, but would a lower level player have enough to push for a failed revive?
I would say if you har farm flame, lady bloom is the easiest - you can also do a few Arcane kinght using a gem lock on flame.
Think a few of these drop shards from the token mall.
Oracles, true, I only use one per transmutation (untill i completed the 8 ones needed for protean V) Immunity seal crit i have 3 of her unlocked, so the forth is overkill... My standard shard farm with left over energy is (and in that order) Delilah, dream guides, flame master, Oracle I would say it should be do-able from lvl 75 -80 ?? Arcane knight is the worst to transmute, what if it succeeds ? I also believe that Axe Warden is the one that gives you the best chance for a failed revive because of the 5* needed. (Border Guard, Arrow Brave, Flame Master, Faen Rampager, Any 5-Star Creature) (which the crits are easily farmable)
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 8, 2018 12:32:12 GMT
I would say it should be do-able from lvl 75 -80 ?? Arcane knight is the worst to transmute, what if it succeeds ? I also believe that Axe Warden is the one that gives you the best chance for a failed revive because of the 5* needed. (Border Guard, Arrow Brave, Flame Master, Faen Rampager, Any 5-Star Creature) (which the crits are easily farmable) Well, energy spend is realitive. If you have star and sign in 4 times a day at the right times you might have some spare. Mines cost 200, 20 for grimore, 10 for chamber. Farming creatues is 60-80 each. Sure at those levels there are still plently of good 4*s to meld, and should likely be farming a bunch of QTs.
You can use the arcane knight for axe warden attempt Success chances are so low its not worth bothering about, but I'm pretty sure I could make use of him.
Perhaps you are correct, its the 5* sacrifice that is important. Will ask on the GM thread for comments
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