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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 22, 2015 16:44:12 GMT
Is border Ranger worth evolving and melding. Including 650 attack plus 40% plus 160% plus 300 from talent plus other boost, it can have 2500 attack x3 so 7500 damage, including ice shell to allow him attack few times looks like best power in game? But I like advice if it is worth as in top15 nobody using 3* heroes on arena. But for map? Any comments? Thx
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 22, 2015 18:02:06 GMT
Im working on melding mine now. I once fought a guy in raids with 4 lv 15 border rangers with assassinate 7 in a human deck and it was hell. They ripped my deck appart in no time. Thats when i decided to meld mine.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 22, 2015 18:17:03 GMT
Why assassinate? It is only 210 damage, +160% gives you 1500 more damage hmm but not direct course
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 22, 2015 18:28:07 GMT
Why assassinate? It is only 210 damage, +160% gives you 1500 more damage hmm but not direct course Im not saying you option isnt best, i havent decided what to meld into mine yet either, just saying that i faced a guy that apparently thought it was a good idea, it worked against me, thats for sure. If i were to analyze it i would have to say that while your intended increase in damage can get blocked or mitigated by defensive skils, assassinate cant, and since it always procs on lowest hp, it pretty much guarantees 1 or 2 kills every turn. But your idea might work better. Perhaps someone that actually tried might give u a better idea on what to expect.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 6:45:45 GMT
Is assassination works x3 in boarder Ranger or only once hmm?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 7:54:20 GMT
Is assassination works x3 in boarder Ranger or only once hmm? Not sure what u mean hitmus. If u mean picking 3 opponents each time, then no. Assassination only picks one opponent a turn. If u meld it on border ranger, u get 2 as she already has 1. There is another similar skill that gets 2 each turn, picking-off, but that cant be melded on 3*.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 8:00:34 GMT
ok so if border ranger attack 3 creatures so assasinate deals damage to only 1 creature not 3 with each hit.
so giving him assasinate 7 will only increase damage 210 , giving 160% will increaase maybe 5000 damage (not direct)
so question is better to have 2500 damage a little dirrect or 7500 not direct damage (50% chance in fact)
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 8:55:43 GMT
after ur suggestion, i took a look at some battles with batleblow and assassinate to try and figure it out.
The only problem with batleblow is that it has a chance to proc, and also a chance that the creature in front might use some deffensive skill against it. Assassination doesnt and allways deals damage no matter what.
Keep in mind though that the chance to actually increase damage to the levels u speak is not actually 50% but 25% instead, the 2 battleblows will proc separately, and for that kind of damage u`ll need them to proc in the same hit, which decreases the % of achieving those damage values. However if it procs right, you will kill 3 opponents with one blow assuming ure in the right position.
So basicly, what you have to balance is, 210 guaranteed damage vs a chance for 2 battleblows to proc at the same time + the blow doesnt get blocked or mitigated.
Thats relying on luck a bit to much for my liking, but if it conects properly u get a monster blow for sure.
My conclusion is this: Border ranger is very fragile, unless u got health buffs from the rest of ur deck, she`ll hit once, 2 times at best in a batle (assuming u dont revive her somehow off course), and honestly i`m not seeing the 2 battleblows proc at the same time that often with so few hits. But still i think it`s probably a better option than assassinate because even if u dont get both battleblows, with 50% chance of getting 160% increased damage it already makes u dish much more damage than u would with assassinate.
I would actually like if someone that has melded a border ranger with battleblow could give us his insight on this.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 9:14:14 GMT
thx somar for analyses , i am still far a way from any melding but better plan good meld before hand. I am intereseted also if battle blow stacks hmm if yes damage can be extremally huge. taking into consideration that i have 3 times ice shell for him it can hit 3 or 4 times. including that it will go with Chains from gladiator. theoretically it can deliver more than 10000 damage for sure. if cretures has no damage protection it can kill everything in 1 good shot. In arena hmm mayb enot so goood , but in case maps ? i have no idea what maps are later but i guess creature delivering 15000 damage in 1 shot can be game breaker. hmm thinking how it works with chains also ... if i hit 3 times - 21% can be delivered to all creatures. so if it hits for 7500 - it can deliver 15000 damage to 5 creatures in 1 blow. with gladiator on 10 lev - 7500 + 35% x numer of creatures. so 20000 each ranger if lucky. in maps you can try many times , so some times it can triger for 20000:) no idea if my analyses are correct but some day i will try test it
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 9:18:34 GMT
I`m also trying to decide what to meld in my border ranger, u deffinetly got me with this battleblow option, if i had to do it now, i would use it for sure.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 15:39:55 GMT
s*** , no duplicate skill can be meld... So no assasinate and no battle blow, are you sure have seen double skill somar ? My idea for Ranger is destroyed after 3 border Ranger evolve... Any idea for alternative?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 16:06:05 GMT
It should have been, i idnt actually checked the guys cards, but from the animations it definitly looked like it. I remember quite well seing each border ranger ativate assassinate 2 times. If it wasnt then i dont know what was.
Had no idea about that no duplicate skill meld, but then again never tried it.
All i`ve done untill now was to put holy light on a devotee.
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 16:09:31 GMT
s*** , no duplicate skill can be meld... So no assasinate and no battle blow, are you sure have seen double skill somar ? My idea for Ranger is destroyed after 3 border Ranger evolve... Any idea for alternative? Sage advice 6 from a Devotee Humanity 7 from a Cleric Discord, Ice Arrow, and Soul Swap are other possibilities.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 18:38:58 GMT
hmm non of those are good , maybe sage advice hmm.
in fact it is not fair and missleading that people want to learn other skills and can know about it after spending a lot effort to envolve.
anyway border rander is ok without meld , but i guess now there is no sense to meld him hmm
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 18:51:00 GMT
This is bugging me a lot. The only explanation i got for this is that they changed the melding options in the last update. I`m pretty sure the border rangers i faced delivered assassinate twice.
Can nyone confirm this?
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Post by jacobhunterx on Feb 23, 2015 19:46:18 GMT
This is bugging me a lot. The only explanation i got for this is that they changed the melding options in the last update. I`m pretty sure the border rangers i faced delivered assassinate twice. Can nyone confirm this? its called picking off its assassinate x2
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 19:58:47 GMT
This is bugging me a lot. The only explanation i got for this is that they changed the melding options in the last update. I`m pretty sure the border rangers i faced delivered assassinate twice. Can nyone confirm this? its called picking off its assassinate x2 i know about picking off, but that cant be meld into 3* also, thats why i really have no idea why hitmus couldnt meld a 2nd assassination (or even battleblow) when i'm pretty shure i've seen it before
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 23, 2015 20:05:25 GMT
after searchingall skills , thinking quite long i invent solution :
stabthrough - 90% damage dealt to creature dealt to hero. including that mine ranger has 1000 attack every turn so it can deal 3000 damage to hero. 3 attacks inluding ice shell protection and game over having 2 in the field 3 turn and game over. it would be great agains mortii and all those undying , i dont care how many he has minions as hero receive 90% damage ?
is this good idea?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 23, 2015 20:10:49 GMT
after searchingall skills , thinking quite long i invent solution : stabthrough - 90% damage dealt to creature dealt to hero. including that mine ranger has 1000 attack every turn so it can deal 3000 damage to hero. 3 attacks inluding ice shell protection and game over having 2 in the field 3 turn and game over. it would be great agains mortii and all those undying , i dont care how many he has minions as hero receive 90% damage ? is this good idea? it looks good, it's definitly a good solution, is stabthrough affected by sweepblow also or just the main hit?
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 24, 2015 6:48:41 GMT
no idea , i hope affected , but how to confirm ? hmm it would be waste of meld if it works as 1 shot not 3.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 27, 2015 11:17:06 GMT
no idea , i hope affected , but how to confirm ? hmm it would be waste of meld if it works as 1 shot not 3. so you've confirmed the stabthrough theory, are u going to meld the border ranger with it? if so, let me know how it works and might try the same with mine
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Feb 27, 2015 12:33:16 GMT
ok:) but first i need few more border ranger have 1 spare:( 3 needed? in melding day and i must decide if destroy ursa for 105% or 90%.
the key now is to have few more border ranger. but i can not find it. Maybe will decide buy human boosters. Next time
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 27, 2015 16:05:35 GMT
ok:) but first i need few more border ranger have 1 spare:( 3 needed? in melding day and i must decide if destroy ursa for 105% or 90%. the key now is to have few more border ranger. but i can not find it. Maybe will decide buy human boosters. Next time When i melded my devotee it took me 4 tries, so i needed 4 copies to make it work. Its a really expensive process. It costed me 5 3* cards(4 + the master) and a little over 1.5k coins to do it.
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Post by Dexx on Feb 27, 2015 17:54:34 GMT
I plan to meld stabthrough on my border ranger and put it in a hero kill deck
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 8, 2015 4:04:48 GMT
The other thread is locked so I cannot contribute to it.
I have a Border Ranger with Weakness 5 (I know now that I could have done 6 with a Pious Warden) and it's great for Guild Maps and against physical damage decks. Each attack (assuming hits) has the potential to remove 300 (360 with Weakness 6) ATK from the enemy.
Paired with Ice Shell from a Human Hero and she can render multiple creatures harmless.
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Post by Eladion on Apr 15, 2015 15:51:03 GMT
ok:) but first i need few more border ranger have 1 spare:( 3 needed? in melding day and i must decide if destroy ursa for 105% or 90%. the key now is to have few more border ranger. but i can not find it. Maybe will decide buy human boosters. Next time When i melded my devotee it took me 4 tries, so i needed 4 copies to make it work. Its a really expensive process. It costed me 5 3* cards(4 + the master) and a little over 1.5k coins to do it. I'm planning to add an evolved 3* to my human deck so this thread is really helpful. Hitmus, did you finished your melding with stabthrough ? If so, did it use the 1000 or the 3000 damage as a base ? Somar, what did you meld your devotee with ?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Apr 15, 2015 15:57:11 GMT
at that time discord, but since then i've changed it to dodge from a lazy guard,
but it's not worth it to meld a devotee, dont waste ur time, i just did it because i didnt had anything better at the time and wanted to give it a go
meld border ranger with consecrate instead, makes for a good anti-mortii crit
i have one now and works really good
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Post by Eladion on Apr 15, 2015 17:46:29 GMT
Thank you, that's a good idea.
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Post by artdz on Apr 15, 2015 18:43:58 GMT
at that time discord, but since then i've changed it to dodge from a lazy guard, but it's not worth it to meld a devotee, dont waste ur time, i just did it because i didnt had anything better at the time and wanted to give it a go meld border ranger with consecrate instead, makes for a good anti-mortii crit i have one now and works really good Consecrate is 4 and 5* skill.........
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Post by Somar [BK] on Apr 15, 2015 18:52:30 GMT
at that time discord, but since then i've changed it to dodge from a lazy guard, but it's not worth it to meld a devotee, dont waste ur time, i just did it because i didnt had anything better at the time and wanted to give it a go meld border ranger with consecrate instead, makes for a good anti-mortii crit i have one now and works really good Consecrate is 4 and 5* skill......... Perhaps they got the description wrong Its melded on a 3* as u can see
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