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Post by squirreleyez on Jan 8, 2019 23:58:04 GMT
Hello all,
I'm in a current discussion with IGG Support about the artifact Mithril Saber... they are insisting the item is working, while I provided a replay of the contrary featuring a Flame Brave with the buff, and her attacks being cancelled by immunity. It is my understanding of DIRECT DAMAGE that this should not be happening.
I'm calling out to the community for whoever has Mithril Sabers... have you noticed ANY difference in creature behavior with the buff? And if you do not own a Saber, do you agree that DIRECT DAMAGE means bypassing defenses like immunity?
If you agree with what I'm saying, PLEASE PLEASE click on LIVE CHAT during your DH load screen, and lodge a complaint about this Artifact not matching it's description!!!
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Post by Brenudo on Jan 9, 2019 2:41:16 GMT
Hi. Some months ago I told them what you are telling them now. Twice. They said that Mythril Saber is working exactly as intended.
I have tested it with all common skills and I noticed that its primary purpose is to cancel Spiky Bits. Also, it works with The Swarm, allowing the triple attack to pierce through Frost Armor. I don't know what other rare skills could benefit from it, since I don't have many rare creatures to test it. If it's working as intended, they should at least provide a not vague effect description.
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Post by squirreleyez on Jan 9, 2019 22:14:44 GMT
Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage. Well, this makes absolutely no sense. The description on saber says it converts the creatures' skills to direct damage. Community, please send in your complaints to IGG... I'm not letting them off the hook on this one.
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Post by hephaistos on Jan 10, 2019 7:42:56 GMT
Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage. Well, this makes absolutely no sense. The description on saber says it converts the creatures' skills to direct damage. Community, please send in your complaints to IGG... I'm not letting them off the hook on this one. I'm not sure about the effect description on US server, but on EU the description says " All damage caused by this creature is caused as direct damage." My explanation: Since immunity blocks a skill before it can cause damage (and not the damage itself), there is no damage which could be converted into direct damage.
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Jan 10, 2019 12:37:59 GMT
if flame brave (with saber) hits creature with maji shield or reflect, what would happen?
Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage.
According to this, flame brave will bypass maji shield and reflect right?
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Post by squirreleyez on Jan 10, 2019 18:17:27 GMT
if flame brave (with saber) hits creature with maji shield or reflect, what would happen? Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage. According to this, flame brave will bypass maji shield and reflect right? In testing, Mythril Saber DOES allow Flame Brave to pass through Maji Shield. However, according to their explanation of order of attack, this should not be happening, as it counts as a Magic attack and should be reduced before Direct Damage is taken into account. This is further evidence of how Immunity SHOULD react to the skill... just like Maji's.
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Post by japoon on Jan 11, 2019 7:33:38 GMT
if flame brave (with saber) hits creature with maji shield or reflect, what would happen? Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage. According to this, flame brave will bypass maji shield and reflect right? In testing, Mythril Saber DOES allow Flame Brave to pass through Maji Shield. However, according to their explanation of order of attack, this should not be happening, as it counts as a Magic attack and should be reduced before Direct Damage is taken into account. This is further evidence of how Immunity SHOULD react to the skill... just like Maji's. Then what is the use of Saber? In what situation it is useful?
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Post by squirreleyez on Jan 11, 2019 7:49:01 GMT
In testing, Mythril Saber DOES allow Flame Brave to pass through Maji Shield. However, according to their explanation of order of attack, this should not be happening, as it counts as a Magic attack and should be reduced before Direct Damage is taken into account. This is further evidence of how Immunity SHOULD react to the skill... just like Maji's. Then what is the use of Saber? In what situation it is useful? Exactly
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Post by MaxStar✪NFS on Jan 11, 2019 11:07:37 GMT
Is the same with Toxicity? Does not help to pass Imm?
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Post by hephaistos on Jan 11, 2019 18:54:24 GMT
if flame brave (with saber) hits creature with maji shield or reflect, what would happen? Update: Support is now telling me Flame Brave is getting the buff, but when attacking creatures with immunity, it still counts as a (1) Magic attack first, and then (2) Direct Damage. According to this, flame brave will bypass maji shield and reflect right? In testing, Mythril Saber DOES allow Flame Brave to pass through Maji Shield. However, according to their explanation of order of attack, this should not be happening, as it counts as a Magic attack and should be reduced before Direct Damage is taken into account. This is further evidence of how Immunity SHOULD react to the skill... just like Maji's. Maji Shield reduces magic damage. Sincd Mythril saber converts the damage to direct damage, maji Shield doesn't get reduced. How I think Mythril Saber works on maji shield: 1. Skill is casted 2. Since maji shield isn't Immunity, the skill can hit the creature 3. Damage calculation starts 4. To calculate the damage, the damage category is changed from magic to direct damage 5. Damage doesn't get reduced since it's not magic damage
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Post by hephaistos on Jan 11, 2019 19:04:35 GMT
Is the same with Toxicity? Does not help to pass Imm? I can't test it but I think it shouldn't pass immunity due to how the skill works. If immunity triggers, the skill is blocked before damage calculation can start. Technically, even if immunity could be passed by Mythril Saber, there is no damage to be converted to direct damage at all, since toxicity is HP reduction and not damage.
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Post by squirreleyez on Jan 12, 2019 0:35:40 GMT
In testing, Mythril Saber DOES allow Flame Brave to pass through Maji Shield. However, according to their explanation of order of attack, this should not be happening, as it counts as a Magic attack and should be reduced before Direct Damage is taken into account. This is further evidence of how Immunity SHOULD react to the skill... just like Maji's. Maji Shield reduces magic damage. Sincd Mythril saber converts the damage to direct damage, maji Shield doesn't get reduced. How I think Mythril Saber works on maji shield: 1. Skill is casted 2. Since maji shield isn't Immunity, the skill can hit the creature 3. Damage calculation starts 4. To calculate the damage, the damage category is changed from magic to direct damage 5. Damage doesn't get reduced since it's not magic damage It seems that is the order of things... making a special exception for immunity. It simply doesn't follow the rules for the rest of the defensive skills.
1. Skill is cast
2. Roll on Immunity. Did the skill hit the creature? Y/N 3. MAGIC DAMAGE converted to DIRECT DAMAGE here by Mythril Saber
4. Damage calculation against any reduction skills 5. Damage done
I can only make sense of it this way... they convoluted the order of attack, giving priority to immunity over OTHER defensive skills (it occurs at #2) AND putting artifact priority at #3. However, according to the Artifact, this conversion should be happening at before #1, not counting as a magic attack at all. ALSO, immunity should be occurring with other defensive skills at the reduction step.
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Post by barleylime on Jan 12, 2019 17:13:49 GMT
The Flame Brave magic damage should be upfront converted to direct damage. This is what I understand from the description. IGG should code this conversion upfront.
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