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Post by Kriodarial on Oct 6, 2015 19:27:16 GMT
Hi. I've started tournament and want to ask you about this 2 heroes. Want to know what choose.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 6, 2015 19:52:45 GMT
Judgement is way better.
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Post by Kriodarial on Oct 6, 2015 20:21:00 GMT
Why is it better? Ghoul feast against deck with a lot of revive/recycle will be very useful.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 6, 2015 20:40:57 GMT
If ur going to argue for specific situations even 3* heroes can be brought to the discussion.
U asked for opinion, I gave u mine. If 2 guys come here and tell u overlord is better then the score is 2 to 1 against me.
Overall judgement is better because it will help u in more situations than overlord can.
It's just a matter of trying to cover the most scenarios possible.
Also judgement skill is way more reliable than overlord because it doesn't require to have something in the graveyard to activate.
Look at top places in tournament and tell me the judgement count vs overlord count.
Everyone in top 15 uses judgement. I counted 3 guys with overlord. That should give a clue.
But if ur mind is set on overlord go for it. He's not a bad hero and any 5* one will help.
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Post by jckson992 on Oct 6, 2015 20:43:06 GMT
Not seen either of those in tourney yet lol. For me it is either Wight or Royal
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Post by Tahae T on Oct 6, 2015 20:44:26 GMT
I like turtles ............. - But on a serious note - somar is right, Judgemnent is a better choice of the 2. I've been going for warlock as It feels right for me!
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 7, 2015 1:50:14 GMT
You need to have a really strong deck to run Overlord. Overlord will not protect your creatures like judgement or Warlock, though deathless is a nice talent. Overlord isn't bad but I would suggest judgement or captivator as a first 5 star hero. They are also simpler to work with, have some great talents and will stay as your main heroes late game.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 7, 2015 1:53:53 GMT
Also, overlord is more of an offensive hero. Making a defensive tournament deck with him is a bit hard because a nice revive deck can beat it, you are somewhat crippled in tournament defense but with other three heroes you can make both offensive and defensive decks for tournament.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 7, 2015 9:36:12 GMT
Judgment is a legitimate top tier hero, almost comparable to Oceanus if you have a strong deck. Oceanus is a better equaliser if you're hitting stronger decks, but Judgment is outrageously tough to wear down if you have the right cards. It also defends great against stabthrough, even more with the rune buff, and can be safely set with magic to wreck spiky bits decks. Its a powerhouse offensively and defensively.
Until you get a mega powerful deck, you'll find Wight is often better than Overlord in many scenarios. Out of the 4 tournament heros, Overlord is probably bottom of the pile.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Oct 7, 2015 9:58:54 GMT
Overlord is a pretty good hero if you have the right cards. Judgement needs quite a bit of work to be made a viable choice as well. So it really comes down to your base deck.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 7, 2015 10:18:59 GMT
The way i see it Over lord needs a creature in the enemy graveyard to work, which is really hard to get sibce its ussually the hero the skill the prevents/causes this agains heavy recycle decks Judgement though beats overlord needs to beleveled before his skill works properly (zero damage for a turn)
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 7, 2015 10:58:00 GMT
I think it can be put simply like this; Overlord= Helps kill enemy creatures Judgement= Helps keep your creatures alive
To me it comes down to if your deck is stronger than most opponents or not. If your deck is stronger Judgement or Warlock is usually a better choice. If your creatures can handle an opponents on their own, Overlord won't be of much use. The one exception is If your creatures are all generally weaker, having Judgement against an opponent using him as well won't do you much good. Althought against most other heros Judgement is still the better of the two whether your deck is stronger or not.
Overlord gives you a better chance than judgement to beat an opponent with judgement who's deck is more powerful than yours, he has unique talents and a potential game changing skill if it goes off with the right timing, so he's not consistently good but kindof a wild card against judgement decks, thus more useful if the odds are stacked against you and your deck is weaker.
On the other hand, if your deck is very powerful and doesn't need to rely on hp restoration you can manage using Overlord if you have a sepcific use for him. However against an equally powerful deck not having Judgement when the opponent does will most likely put you at a disadvantage.
I think Judgement is by far better defensively and offensively, but Overlord is still very useful.
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Post by ahriman on Oct 7, 2015 12:17:13 GMT
I have judgement and I see more potential in him than overlord. The thing is you need to build your deck around him. I am currently in the process of experimenting by putting frost armor on cards with stoneskin, and immunity on cards with frost armor. Of cours throw in a recycle or 2. Judgement is not the kind of hero you want to make a disposal deck with. It won't mesh at all. You want a deck that can self heal and survive. Judgement will exponentially boost that deck. I have a Dream Healer with a Bless rune just for this deck (to boost his rage every round). I don't mind that she is fragile because she can bring herself back to life (Rebirth). So, from experience, I really like judgement as I feel he has more potential. That being said, if someone out there has a good judgement deck, and has a friend with a good overlord deck, i'd love to see some recorded practice battles to see a direct match against eachother
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 7, 2015 12:46:39 GMT
I like turtles ............. - But on a serious note - somar is right, Judgemnent is a better choice of the 2. I've been going for warlock as It feels right for me! I have Warlock. Now I complete gauntlet everyday without losing a single creature. <3 love it more than Oceanus now.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Oct 7, 2015 13:19:11 GMT
Overlord is a pretty good hero if you have the right cards. Judgement needs quite a bit of work to be made a viable choice as well. So it really comes down to your base deck. Yeah. Also because of the stat runes update, judgement got abit weaker since the heal is fixed and not % based.
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Post by Tahae T on Oct 7, 2015 20:19:44 GMT
I like turtles ............. - But on a serious note - somar is right, Judgemnent is a better choice of the 2. I've been going for warlock as It feels right for me! I have Warlock. Now I complete gauntlet everyday without losing a single creature. <3 love it more than Oceanus now. Sweet - I have liked that hero since I first saw it no matter whether its awesome or not, compared to oceanus etc, But to hear it does gauntlet well is a bonus - I am quite heavy on dragon rider (main), and wight (gm only). I was getting iimpatient with the lack of appearances judgement makes in my tourney mall - warlock is rare but im up to 44/100. If i get bored sometimes ive been buying overlord though.
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Post by Opethian on Oct 8, 2015 8:24:32 GMT
Judgement is more powerful. I chose overlord though as I like to pursue themed decks.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 9, 2015 7:52:48 GMT
I have Warlock. Now I complete gauntlet everyday without losing a single creature. <3 love it more than Oceanus now. Sweet - I have liked that hero since I first saw it no matter whether its awesome or not, compared to oceanus etc, But to hear it does gauntlet well is a bonus - I am quite heavy on dragon rider (main), and wight (gm only). I was getting iimpatient with the lack of appearances judgement makes in my tourney mall - warlock is rare but im up to 44/100. If i get bored sometimes ive been buying overlord though. Fortunately Warlock has been dropping generously for me. I had DR as my main hero before. Humans are my favourite. All those insta kills and disposal and revives kill my brain, I like good old melee damage. I am planning to make a faen deck for overlord though, magic damage and Overlord feasting on dead cards. Very similar to magic damage devil Hunter, just gonna put overlord in place of the Hunter. Lets see how it goes.
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Post by Tahae T on Oct 9, 2015 20:14:14 GMT
Sweet - I have liked that hero since I first saw it no matter whether its awesome or not, compared to oceanus etc, But to hear it does gauntlet well is a bonus - I am quite heavy on dragon rider (main), and wight (gm only). I was getting iimpatient with the lack of appearances judgement makes in my tourney mall - warlock is rare but im up to 44/100. If i get bored sometimes ive been buying overlord though. Fortunately Warlock has been dropping generously for me. I had DR as my main hero before. Humans are my favourite. All those insta kills and disposal and revives kill my brain, I like good old melee damage. I am planning to make a faen deck for overlord though, magic damage and Overlord feasting on dead cards. Very similar to magic damage devil Hunter, just gonna put overlord in place of the Hunter. Lets see how it goes. Keep me updated at least, then maybe il feel better about collecting him! - i Lack any great cards , Although in my 11months of playing - i actually got my 1st 5* from gauntlet the other day - titania, then another through GM, and finally 2 in the alter - all in less than a week!? Hate my RNG. My alt got mystic as first 5* - Typical.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 10, 2015 1:26:04 GMT
Fortunately Warlock has been dropping generously for me. I had DR as my main hero before. Humans are my favourite. All those insta kills and disposal and revives kill my brain, I like good old melee damage. I am planning to make a faen deck for overlord though, magic damage and Overlord feasting on dead cards. Very similar to magic damage devil Hunter, just gonna put overlord in place of the Hunter. Lets see how it goes. Keep me updated at least, then maybe il feel better about collecting him! - i Lack any great cards , Although in my 11months of playing - i actually got my 1st 5* from gauntlet the other day - titania, then another through GM, and finally 2 in the alter - all in less than a week!? Hate my RNG. My alt got mystic as first 5* - Typical. I will let you know how it goes, even going to have a melded henrietta in there for a twist. Time for farming faen. Collect as many coupons as you can, you will get the majority of your 5 stars from there! And what's with this alt getting mystic thing ha ha so many people getting mystics in alts, you guys are all doing it wrong! Learn from my alt and do what I do, what I always wanted to do, spend ALL gems in Lucky Spin!! LOL
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Post by yoshikyoshik_WK_ on Oct 15, 2015 10:23:10 GMT
I like turtles ............. - But on a serious note - somar is right, Judgemnent is a better choice of the 2. I've been going for warlock as It feels right for me! I have Warlock. Now I complete gauntlet everyday without losing a single creature. <3 love it more than Oceanus now. By interest... whats your deck around Warlock? And what talents has yr Warlock? I'm asking because i have Warlock too, but somehow i'm not that satiesfied with him... it may sounds stupid, but atm i prefer to use my Dragon Rider with my human crits instead of choosing Warlock... So i guess, there is much more potential in Warlock
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 15:56:14 GMT
I have Warlock. Now I complete gauntlet everyday without losing a single creature. <3 love it more than Oceanus now. By interest... whats your deck around Warlock? And what talents has yr Warlock? I'm asking because i have Warlock too, but somehow i'm not that satiesfied with him... it may sounds stupid, but atm i prefer to use my Dragon Rider with my human crits instead of choosing Warlock... So i guess, there is much more potential in Warlock Warlock himself isn't offensive but he protects the deck, by far the best damage shielding hero in the game in my opinion. It saves me from death curse, crazed sorrow, mass charm, you name it. My deck is very simple I have a sacrifice paladin who is the main damage and dealer he doesn't even care about judgement. My deck. Warlock lvl 2 Protection 8 Berserk 9 Zero kelvin 8 1. Sac paladin - main damage dealer, ambush skill procs with sacrifice giving roughly 3.2k first hit. Helps one shot Fafnir/mimir revive in gauntlet. 2. Two oracles - one FA and one i9, helps all cards maintain HP and attack, especially paladin which increases attack and goes 3k - 4k even higher in longer fights. 3.Paragon from heist. 4. Sea Wizard does well un-melded with warlock. 5. Royal dragon disposal. 6. Blood rage twins - experiment seems to succeed. Especially due to protection from 5 star Heroes, does crazy damage in long battles. Good hero killer too if placed far right. 7. HB and SM recyclers. Basically my deck, nothing too special, every other card basically supports my sac paladin because he is the main damage dealer. I replace twins with anathema and add a harbinger recycle for gauntlet. I am able to clear gauntlets without losing anything if I manually run it, haven't tried autoing through out though, lol I fear losing any card. I will finish a retreat queen soon then I might be able to auto through out.
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Post by sylava1 on Oct 15, 2015 17:54:25 GMT
I got overlord as my first 5* hero. Still regret it. Never use him except for throw away gauntlet deck.
Now trying to correct my mistake with 80 judgement shards. Might even go for warlock where i have 50 or oceanus now on 53 with the new mine shop.
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Post by ssgwilder on Oct 15, 2015 19:14:08 GMT
I will let you know how it goes, even going to have a melded henrietta in there for a twist. Time for farming faen. Collect as many coupons as you can, you will get the majority of your 5 stars from there! And what's with this alt getting mystic thing ha ha so many people getting mystics in alts, you guys are all doing it wrong! Learn from my alt and do what I do, what I always wanted to do, spend ALL gems in Lucky Spin!! LOL I used to do lucky skin, got tired of wasting gems. I've never gotten anything from lucky spin but guild and 3*.
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Post by Tahae T on Oct 16, 2015 21:19:49 GMT
Basically voldrox has covered what i was going to say - im not a holder of amazing 5* or super cool/awesome melds, im F2P - so limited with what ever i've gained from coupons and guild bits etc.
Warlock is good at defensive set up - and you don't need too much to be a steady contender. I like the beserk skill and kelvin skillset.
Until i own it - I'm not 100% sure what cards will work, so it will be a bit of trial and error - but alongside this hero - i am aiming to get paragon too. I'm going to have to get in guild map - when ever I tried to raid for shards (maybe 6 sets of 5 attempts) i didnt amass many shards, even though my targets were rated High, I got around 8 and I'm left with just 2 after the event. I dislike the Heist feature.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 17, 2015 4:31:51 GMT
I got overlord as my first 5* hero. Still regret it. Never use him except for throw away gauntlet deck. Now trying to correct my mistake with 80 judgement shards. Might even go for warlock where i have 50 or oceanus now on 53 with the new mine shop. Ha ha.. I thought too, it was my first choice at the beginning of tournament, I had to finish off what I started. Though overlord is nothing like other 5 star Heroes I have come to terms with its skill. I have cripple 9 on my overlord, I put two fatigue horned beast to cripple enemy. Put a few damage dealing creatures and lock their graveyard with paragon. I have this for tournament attack deck. This deck is quite strong , its a faen deck with Overlord. To make things work smoother put a direct damage dealer or two and sit and watch overlord eat enemy team. Add a Drone to cripple enemy with both physical and magic attack.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 17, 2015 4:42:08 GMT
Basically voldrox has covered what i was going to say - im not a holder of amazing 5* or super cool/awesome melds, im F2P - so limited with what ever i've gained from coupons and guild bits etc. Warlock is good at defensive set up - and you don't need too much to be a steady contender. I like the beserk skill and kelvin skillset. Until i own it - I'm not 100% sure what cards will work, so it will be a bit of trial and error - but alongside this hero - i am aiming to get paragon too. I'm going to have to get in guild map - when ever I tried to raid for shards (maybe 6 sets of 5 attempts) i didnt amass many shards, even though my targets were rated High, I got around 8 and I'm left with just 2 after the event. I dislike the Heist feature. You will like heist when you get around it. Try and use a lower power deck so that you can find 'very high' targets that you can defeat. I scored my paragon from heists. If I had gems I would have completed a second paragon too.
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Post by tchex on Oct 30, 2015 23:09:00 GMT
I have said it before and will say it again - until you have a paragon then you really need overlord to deal with high resurrection decks. Its all well and good having a judgement healing like crazy but since lots of high level players are also running him then it will simply come down to who has the stronger cards and no amount of strategy is going to change the outcome. Overlord, on the other hand, gives the opportunity to permanently eliminate lynch pin creatures from the enemy hand and that can tip the balance in your favour at high levels.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 31, 2015 3:59:42 GMT
I have said it before and will say it again - until you have a paragon then you really need overlord to deal with high resurrection decks. Its all well and good having a judgement healing like crazy but since lots of high level players are also running him then it will simply come down to who has the stronger cards and no amount of strategy is going to change the outcome. Overlord, on the other hand, gives the opportunity to permanently eliminate lynch pin creatures from the enemy hand and that can tip the balance in your favour at high levels. Good luck killing those creatures in the first place. Its not as simple as 'dispose Paragon and remove, I win!!!!'. Even if you have a Paragon of your own its a tough fight ahead still. If you dont have the cards to hold your own, Overlord sure isnt going to do the job for you- not even close. Judgment or Oceanus do a far better job of bridging the gap between super decks and mediocre- Overlord is actually of more value to extreme high level players than low level trying to punch above gheir weight. *edit* also, board control> mass revive. If you have creatures that sit and stack attack, you can overwhelm rebirth etc- Berserker is a perfect example of a deck that can effectively counter the recycle train without Paragon.
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