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Post by cozy on Dec 17, 2015 18:31:43 GMT
I didn't find the information I wanted in the other threads, so I have tried to compile it here. I started out with a few estimates which perhaps you all can help to adjust. I want to be able to answer the relatively straightforward questions: How much will it cost me in gems and time to acquire Oceanus, or Drone? How many shards can I expect to get along the way? The short answer is that for the popular strategy of running mines 1 and 2 to the first chest, drone costs 6600 gems and 66 days, and oceanus costs 3x that. At the top you can see the shard rates I have estimated. I will be happy to adjust those if they are off and the other numbers will then be changed. Edit: I realized there are a few choices I made that I should document: I have not taken into account Spirit Arbiter, which I would guess will change shard distribution. Energy mine - I assume you generally turn the 3* shards into 2 ore and averaged that to give 5 extra ore. Other mines - I have ignored the ore value of 4* and 5* shards as it's frankly pitiful and in the long run (which is what mines are about) the shard becoming a creature is of greater value. I have updated this with the information from Inselpionier here. This has dramatically increased the value proposition of the 3rd mine. 100 gems = 1x 5* hero and 1x 5* creature shard.Here's another way of looking at it: 44k gems spent on 3rd mine only = (4 months) Oceanus lvl'd to 5 8 5* Creatures lvl 1 Thor lvl 1 Armageddon lvl 1 Alchemist or for spending 15k on 3rd mine only: (42 days) Mithril Drone 2.5 5* creatures of shards (likely help you finish like 8 creatures) 30~ shards of each 5* hero Considering how much ultima chests costs, this is not bad at all. I personally prefer the offers of faction boosters, but that's because I really need a lot of human 4*s.
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Post by ℜ★God on Dec 17, 2015 23:29:40 GMT
The most profitable way to do the Mines is to finish the energy one completely, and go to the first chest in the second mine every day (STAR helps with this). Doing this, you'll get a 5 star hero in a month or two (depending on how lucky you get with the extra shards from the first chest in the second mine). Note that the third mine gives you twice the yield of the second mine, but is triple the cost. This means that doing the second mine 3 times is more profitable (mathematically) than doing the third one once.
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Post by cozy on Dec 18, 2015 1:10:06 GMT
The most profitable way to do the Mines is to finish the energy one completely, and go to the first chest in the second mine every day (STAR helps with this). Doing this, you'll get a 5 star hero in a month or two (depending on how lucky you get with the extra shards from the first chest in the second mine). Note that the third mine gives you twice the yield of the second mine, but is triple the cost. This means that doing the second mine 3 times is more profitable (mathematically) than doing the third one once. I agree with most of your conclusions. If you want the best mix of least gems and quickest time to get an ore bazaar item that is a very good way to go. However, here's a look at what each 100 gems approximately gets you (shards) in the different strategies: Let's look at the cost of a five star creature from two different strategies. Here's the gem/time cost: 1. 4th / 1st - 4000 gems and 40 days 2. 3rd / 1st / 1st - 9450 gems and 21 days Here let's look at the shards they give you: 1. 195 4* crit, 309 4* Hero, 11 5* Crit 2. 85 4* crit, 110 4* Hero, 84 5* Crit, 26 5* Hero So you have spent an extra 4450 gems to: - Save 19 days - Get 110 less 4* crit shards - Get 199 less 4* hero shards - Get 73 more 5* crit shards - Get 26 more 5* hero shards I would argue that which is best value really depends on how much you value 5* crit/hero shards. If you are going after Oceanus and clearing 3/1/1 you will have gotten almost 100 5* hero shards on your way to getting enough ore, so you can call 1/4 of those or so Oceanus shards and cut the time and cost to about 3/4. This brings oceanus down to about 26k and 60 days. I think if you've already got most of your 4* creatues evolved and you are working on really late game things the last mine could have greater value. I think for a newer player only the energy mine actually has any value because there are too many other good things to spend gems on for now: - Human Boosters - Melding - Bonds -
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Dec 18, 2015 3:15:08 GMT
2nd mine is the most effective/valuable in my opinion. Unless you want a shot at some great 5* cards. Nice information though.
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Post by cozy on Dec 18, 2015 23:04:05 GMT
Updated with a bunch more data, changed numbers noticably.
There are certainly compelling reasons for some people to do the 3rd mine exclusively.
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Post by blissing on Jan 14, 2016 8:58:50 GMT
Me as a new player find this very usefull, good work!
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Post by waxpaper on Jan 15, 2016 7:21:21 GMT
So if I'm mainly looking for lucky 5 star cards and shards, and ultimately shooting for Oceanus with the Ore, which one is gonna be the best way to spend about 100 gems a day? Assuming I'm not that interested in 4-star cards and especially shards...
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Post by ℜ★God on Jan 15, 2016 7:50:41 GMT
So if I'm mainly looking for lucky 5 star cards and shards, and ultimately shooting for Oceanus with the Ore, which one is gonna be the best way to spend about 100 gems a day? Assuming I'm not that interested in 4-star cards and especially shards... I'd recommend against getting Oceanus. He's getting nerfed into the ground in the 9.0 update. If you really really want him, make sure you're prepared to farm for an extra few hundred shards to get him to level 6 or 7.
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Post by cozy on Jan 15, 2016 18:42:09 GMT
So if I'm mainly looking for lucky 5 star cards and shards, and ultimately shooting for Oceanus with the Ore, which one is gonna be the best way to spend about 100 gems a day? Assuming I'm not that interested in 4-star cards and especially shards... The cheapest route to oceanus is energy (obviously) but it will take a year. The second cheapest route is the 2nd mine first chest with a little bit in the energy mine too and this can take around five months. This fits your budget. If you convert all the shards to ore you may get it in four. I did the 2nd mine 1st chest for two months and didn't get any 5* cards; I wouldn't count on getting any.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Jan 16, 2016 4:22:23 GMT
If you are looking for lucky 5* shards and cards definitely the 3rd mine to first chest every 3rd day. You don't give up much ore at all and I've already gotten half way to mystic, hippo, kitsune and kumiho and got a random deaths angel.
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Post by nowar on May 23, 2016 6:48:51 GMT
If you are looking for lucky 5* shards and cards definitely the 3rd mine to first chest every 3rd day. You don't give up much ore at all and I've already gotten half way to mystic, hippo, kitsune and kumiho and got a random deaths angel. Hay, dude, I saw your deck in tournament ranking list. You got great heroes and cards! Cheers
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Post by nowar on May 23, 2016 7:19:09 GMT
Greetings Fellas! Just a little thought, I feel getting Ocean from energy mine is extremely time-consuming for a F2P player (even with gems once a while). You need total of 750 x 100 = 75000 Ore to achieve this. So, by completing energy mine you will be able to get 360-400 Ore. Just with the energy it will take 6.25 months. I will not bother to do that, instead, I will farm my 4th thalasa. Fortunately, I managed to farm 20 drone shards from mines. Maybe later, I can get remaining 30 shards, within 37 days, if I complete energy mine every day. Now I need to use energy on other stuff!
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Post by Yuna on May 23, 2016 14:42:02 GMT
Fortunately, I managed to farm 20 drone shards from mines. From the 3rd mine, presumably? Because you can't get Drone Shards from the energy mine.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 23, 2016 17:00:31 GMT
You can get them with ore.
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I hate it when I get suckered into checking these dang necrothreads!
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Post by nowar on May 24, 2016 3:05:27 GMT
I got 20 shards from energy mines. Initially, I was completing energy mines every day. That was the time I got those Drone shards. After some time, I got bored with it and used energy to farm 4* creatures from dungeons. One day I will do mines again just to get those remaining 30 shards.
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Post by prince on May 24, 2016 13:19:44 GMT
I got 20 shards from energy mines. Initially, I was completing energy mines every day. That was the time I got those Drone shards. After some time, I got bored with it and used energy to farm 4* creatures from dungeons. One day I will do mines again just to get those remaining 30 shards. Bro. You can't get 4 Star Creature shards in energy mines. 4 Star hero shards are in the chest.
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Post by StackMasta on May 24, 2016 14:40:34 GMT
I was able to get mythril drone around 2 months time. I did skip the energy mine a few times because of relic chest events which i probably should have never did but i didnt know to much about the game back then. I also got 2 mythril drone shards from relic chests so maybe it wasnt so bad skipping the mines haha. Plus i used ten 5* omni shards. Probably best to get 15 omni shards to save a lot of ore. I only did both gem mines to 1st chest only during double ore event. I also got 5* Revenant from gold mine 1st chest and i got that on my 1st try and ive only done the gold mine to 1st chest twice.
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