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Post by fuggingene on Mar 16, 2016 21:19:27 GMT
I did a search here in the forum under "contains in the title: Skill Upgrade" and noticed that it doesn't just show threads of the posts with the title, but it shows every post from threads with those words in the title. So I did not want to go through dozens of pages of posts to find what I'm looking for.
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My question is, do I need to use the skill upgrade cards all at once to be efficient with them, or can I just use them whenever I get them?
Reason I ask, I noticed that if I have a level 5 Tempest. If I apply a skill upgrade of a level 10, it gives me a lot of XP. If it's a level 5, if gets me little XP, and if it's a level 2, it basically gives me zero XP. Now if I upgrade the skill whenever I get cards, lets say I get it to level 7 and I stop. Now if I get a level 5 upgrade card, will it give me zero XP? This makes me think that I have to save up all my cards so that from level 5, I can at least use the level 5 upgrade cards to be efficient. Has anyone confirmed this theory of mine?
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Post by ℜ★God on Mar 16, 2016 22:24:47 GMT
Only use them when you have enough to completely upgrade the skill. The amount of EXP that the card gives you is based upon the current level of the skill, and the level of the upgrade card. If the card is at or below the current level of your skill, then it will give you very little to no EXP.
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Post by fuggingene on Mar 17, 2016 0:29:05 GMT
Thanks. That's what I thought.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 15, 2016 18:42:59 GMT
I did a search here in the forum under "contains in the title: Skill Upgrade" and noticed that it doesn't just show threads of the posts with the title, but it shows every post from threads with those words in the title. So I did not want to go through dozens of pages of posts to find what I'm looking for. Anyways, My question is, do I need to use the skill upgrade cards all at once to be efficient with them, or can I just use them whenever I get them? Reason I ask, I noticed that if I have a level 5 Tempest. If I apply a skill upgrade of a level 10, it gives me a lot of XP. If it's a level 5, if gets me little XP, and if it's a level 2, it basically gives me zero XP. Now if I upgrade the skill whenever I get cards, lets say I get it to level 7 and I stop. Now if I get a level 5 upgrade card, will it give me zero XP? This makes me think that I have to save up all my cards so that from level 5, I can at least use the level 5 upgrade cards to be efficient. Has anyone confirmed this theory of mine? If its a low level skill, upgrade as you go, the numbers are small so it doesn't matter. When the skill is past lv5, the best rthing you can do is save high lv cards and just burn lower lvs on the skl until it gets close to upgrading. Essences that are one level below the skill are fine, but two lvs below the akill get experience penalties in upgrading so you only want to boost the skill when it makes sense based on the cards you will need after the upgrade to push further. Hope this helps.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 15, 2016 18:46:27 GMT
On that note, just FYI, essences three or four levels below the skill give ZERO exp. It's how they setup the system. So, for example, you get your Alice to mass heal 13, and you draw a mass heal 10, you will get very little, probably Zero xp and now require lv 13-15 mass heals to even make a dent in that alice.
Use that to plan your skill upgrades accordingly
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 15, 2016 20:15:40 GMT
Yeah, that's the way that they chose to balance the whole concept. It prevents everyone from running around with Dodge 15 Fafnirs and Immunity 10 Queen temptresses Pretty clever, actually.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 24, 2016 18:42:22 GMT
I've done enough tests on this now, the math is this...
Skill upgrades give a doubling of xp per level. Example: Lv1. 1 xp Lv2. 2 xp Lv3. 4 xp Lv4. 8 xp.
Now, with that, cards at same or higher levels give FULL xp. The penalties for lower skill levels is as follows: 1 level lower, -25% xp penalty 2 levels lower, -50% xp penalty 3 levels lower, -75% xp penalty 4 or more lvs lower, zero XP awarded.
Example: horned beast has i7, and I have an immunity essense level 6(32 base xp). One Lev lower makes the xp award modified to 24 xp If I choose to use it on this creature.
Note, because of the growing xp needed per level, a large level gap between the skill and the essense makes a much bigger impact than a smaller gap. Furthermore, because the xp doubles per level of the essence, lv 10+ starts to get massive xp award.
Hope this helps.
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Post by PandaSage♪ on Apr 25, 2016 11:45:40 GMT
Just on a sidenote, does the higher lvl of Grimoire always give higher level skills? Or is everything random, and you can get Hi Lv skill from even grimoire 1?
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Post by Rosh on Apr 25, 2016 12:24:15 GMT
It's totally random, you just get more "maps" for drawing the skill cards with higher lvl of Grimoire.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 26, 2016 8:38:29 GMT
Just on a sidenote, does the higher lvl of Grimoire always give higher level skills? Or is everything random, and you can get Hi Lv skill from even grimoire 1? It truly seems to be fully random draws. But max level is 13
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 26, 2016 8:54:34 GMT
Max level is 10 for 4 star creatures, and 15 for 5 star creatures.
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Post by Azuk1977✪NFS on Apr 29, 2016 12:28:11 GMT
I have a spreadsheet that covers this all off, including number of cards needed to lvl a skill from 0 exp to the next lvl its work in progress and I just have been lazy finishing it off and sharing
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Post by Azuk1977✪NFS on Apr 29, 2016 12:30:10 GMT
Max level is 10 for 4 star creatures, and 15 for 5 star creatures. Depends on which skills not all are upgradable past lvl 10 for 5* creatures And some are just never going to happen based on cost
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Post by ozzy on May 9, 2016 12:57:13 GMT
Max level is 10 for 4 star creatures, and 15 for 5 star creatures. Depends on which skills not all are upgradable past lvl 10 for 5* creatures And some are just never going to happen based on cost Yeah for example Killer Queen's Soul Swap 10 can't be upgraded, why is that? And Paragon's Sage Advice and Death Knight's Assassinate...
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Post by Azuk1977✪NFS on May 9, 2016 15:09:53 GMT
Depends on which skills not all are upgradable past lvl 10 for 5* creatures And some are just never going to happen based on cost Yeah for example Killer Queen's Soul Swap 10 can't be upgraded, why is that? And Paragon's Sage Advice and Death Knight's Assassinate... You would need to ask the Dev's I would guess that it's a balance issue
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Post by icezaius on May 10, 2016 13:10:52 GMT
I've found that I draw MUCH better upgrade cards from essence than from maps. Anyone else experience this or have I just been luckier in the essence draw? Never done any gem draws
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Post by tanisomsford on May 10, 2016 23:48:13 GMT
I've found that I draw MUCH better upgrade cards from essence than from maps. Anyone else experience this or have I just been luckier in the essence draw? Never done any gem draws Maps max out at essence level 13. Altar can get lv 15. Its not just you bro
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Post by voldrox [BK] on May 11, 2016 6:30:13 GMT
Yeah, it feels like it. That is why I always try to collect 675 to draw 5.
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Post by rjizzle410 on Jun 14, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
I have sac 8 3 of them in my deck and a frost blade 1 as a 4th skill on my imperator would it be better if i bought the omini pack to lvl these skills up a bit?
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 14, 2016 21:41:09 GMT
I have sac 8 3 of them in my deck and a frost blade 1 as a 4th skill on my imperator would it be better if i bought the omini pack to lvl these skills up a bit? Only way possible to level those skills unless you meld a better version. Up to you if its worth it.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 14, 2016 22:00:29 GMT
Sell level 1-3 cards. They give out 1, 2 and 4 exp respectively, which is almost literally nothing. You need all 3 to level a level 1 skill to level 2. Sell them for Upgrade Points. Skills are only upgradeable beyond level 10 if the creature is evolved. Also, creatures below 5 stars are not able to have their skills upgraded beyond level 10. I do not have any Killer Queen evolved, so I cannot state for certain Soul Swap 10 cannot be upgraded. Paragon's Sage Advice can most definitely be upgraded beyond level 10, as one of my Paragons currently has it at Sage Advice 11.
Some skills cannot be upgraded beyond level 10, such as Sacrifice (it's a matter of balance, most probably), but Sage Advice most definitely can be.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 14, 2016 22:02:13 GMT
I've found that I draw MUCH better upgrade cards from essence than from maps. Anyone else experience this or have I just been luckier in the essence draw? Never done any gem draws Maps max out at essence level 13. Altar can get lv 15. Its not just you bro Not only that, Maps also have a lower chance of drawing high level Upgrade Cards and Maps also have a tendency to drop more useless skills more often. The best way to go about it is to use up your maps, convert all of the useless cards gotten from maps to Upgrade Points and then pull from the Upgrade Points Altar. From what I and my guildmates can tell, the Upgrade Points and Gem Altars are 100% the same.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 14, 2016 22:12:34 GMT
I've been wanting a Elven Salve to Level up my Treant Guide forever. I kind of gave up for so long that i would never get a decent high enough Elven Salve Essence. Then one day I was really bored and just decided to sell some cards for upgrade points and buy the 5x draw and wooot, I got a 4* Lv15 Elven Salve Went from Elven Salve 4 to 10. Might have been more experience than I needed but whatever, I was happy. Now it gives 500+ HP to my other Faen Creatures.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 14, 2016 22:21:06 GMT
I've been wanting a Elven Salve to Level up my Treant Guide forever. I kind of gave up for so long that i would never get a decent high enough Elven Salve Essence. Then one day I was really bored and just decided to sell some cards for upgrade points and buy the 5x draw and wooot, I got a 4* Lv15 Elven Salve Went from Elven Salve 4 to 10. Might have been more experience than I needed but whatever, I was happy. Now it gives 500+ HP to my other Faen Creatures. That's weird. I get tons and tons of Elven Salve upgrade cards from Maps.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 14, 2016 22:24:25 GMT
I've been wanting a Elven Salve to Level up my Treant Guide forever. I kind of gave up for so long that i would never get a decent high enough Elven Salve Essence. Then one day I was really bored and just decided to sell some cards for upgrade points and buy the 5x draw and wooot, I got a 4* Lv15 Elven Salve Went from Elven Salve 4 to 10. Might have been more experience than I needed but whatever, I was happy. Now it gives 500+ HP to my other Faen Creatures. That's weird. I get tons and tons of Elven Salve upgrade cards from Maps. I get a ton from maps too but there all Lv5 and lower, just all useless lol. Maybe they just know I run a faen deck and have it out for me haha.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jun 15, 2016 2:14:02 GMT
Lately I've been drawing maps. selling everything less usefull to me(retailiate, counter, ambush, stuff like that), and selling anything under 10, except a few special cases, bb for border rangers, mass heal for tree guides, any skill I just evolved that's decent to upgrade, etc...
gives me 5x draw in the alter more often.
Also let me say this right here and now...SKill upgrades are a game changer, and if you are not on board, youll be pushed out of your rankings soon, as its only a matter of time before we see dodge 15 fafnirs in the top 100
Also note, rebirth is a lv 15 eligible skill. I just verified with my kumiho. rebirth 15 = 95%.....drool**
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