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Post by magius on Oct 3, 2016 11:01:07 GMT
So which cards you think are the Top creatures to get now that we have many new one this year ??
Aslo wich one you think is the more Fun one to have and play ... Even if it's not a top five one ?
Aquarius, Cancer,Taurus,Virgo,Chiroptera, Alice, Octavous, Scorpio, Ordonance, Cosmic Hare, Great Mystic, Hypolyta, or any other etc.... ?
Un melded !!
Personally I realy don't know and would like your take on it For me the New Tomb Raider look realy Fun to play !
Thanks !
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Post by Nirvana on Oct 3, 2016 12:31:11 GMT
1. Aquarius 2. Paragon 3. Octavius/Taurus 4. Great Msytic 5. Bloodletter (best butt in the game)
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 12:46:29 GMT
1. Aquarius 2. Octavius 3. Taurus 4. Paragon 5. Great Mystic (for melding, not for use) 6. Sylvan Enchantress
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Post by shofukamachi on Oct 3, 2016 13:01:12 GMT
1. Overseer 2. Centaur Grunt 3. Nosferatu 4. Bony Fiend 5. Imp
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Post by opalnera on Oct 3, 2016 13:40:42 GMT
1. Paragon 2. Geomancer (don't forget him) 3. Octavius 4. Aquarius 5. Taurus
Fun card. I love arcane sage,i love a good sneak theme deck.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 13:51:26 GMT
1. Paragon 2. Geomancer (don't forget him) 3. Octavius 4. Aquarius 5. Taurus Fun card. I love arcane sage,i love a good sneak theme deck. Toph Beifong is not yet in the game technically speaking. He's in the sticker book.
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Post by Gumba on Oct 3, 2016 13:53:00 GMT
1. Aquarius 2. Octavius 3. Taurus 4. Paragon 5. Great Mystic (for melding, not for use) 6. Sylvan Enchantress 7. Geomancer 8. Soul shrew 9. Tomb Raider or how would you rate them?
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Post by ℜ★God on Oct 3, 2016 13:59:20 GMT
Bloodletter has a nice a**.
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Post by opalnera on Oct 3, 2016 14:05:50 GMT
1. Paragon 2. Geomancer (don't forget him) 3. Octavius 4. Aquarius 5. Taurus Fun card. I love arcane sage,i love a good sneak theme deck. Toph Beifong is not yet in the game technically speaking. He's in the sticker book. True but as soon as he enters game he is top 5
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 14:29:52 GMT
Toph Beifong is not yet in the game technically speaking. He's in the sticker book. True but as soon as he enters game he is top 5 Well, of course. As soon as Toph Beifong enters the game, he's top 5 and Paragon drops down to around 10th place.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 14:30:41 GMT
1. Aquarius 2. Octavius 3. Taurus 4. Paragon 5. Great Mystic (for melding, not for use) 6. Sylvan Enchantress 7. Geomancer 8. Soul shrew 9. Tomb Raider or how would you rate them? We're doing an unmelded list. Geomancer is not released yet, so he doesn't count for now. Soul Shrew is good, but not too good unmelded. Tomb Raider is way too squishy without an Imm9 meld to make Top 10.
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Post by japoon on Oct 3, 2016 14:50:41 GMT
All 5* are good creatures. Among the best, here is my ranking.
(1) Aquarius (2) Great Mystics (Revive Skill) (3) Taurus (4) Octavius (5) Soul shrew (6) Ordnance (7) Ares
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Post by opalnera on Oct 3, 2016 15:54:13 GMT
True but as soon as he enters game he is top 5 Well, of course. As soon as Toph Beifong enters the game, he's top 5 and Paragon drops down to around 10th place. Paragon drops to place 10. Sorry i dissagree with u here. 1. Paragon is gonne be eassier to get then geomancer 2. As long as she is in play no matter how good your cards are they never going to be back. 3. The cost compares to geomancer is big. And i already see how u top players are struggling with your deck cost. Lets not even talk about if u wanne have 2 torment cards in your deck. Maybe u disagree but thats my opinion.
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Post by ironninja on Oct 3, 2016 16:23:44 GMT
All 5* are good creatures. Except Pisces and Yggdryad Explain this...
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Post by opalnera on Oct 3, 2016 16:35:04 GMT
All 5* are good creatures. Except Pisces and Yggdryad Explain this... Nooooo .... don't ask.....damn to late...
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 17:36:28 GMT
Well, of course. As soon as Toph Beifong enters the game, he's top 5 and Paragon drops down to around 10th place. Paragon drops to place 10. Sorry i dissagree with u here. 1. Paragon is gonne be eassier to get then geomancer 2. As long as she is in play no matter how good your cards are they never going to be back. 3. The cost compares to geomancer is big. And i already see how u top players are struggling with your deck cost. Lets not even talk about if u wanne have 2 torment cards in your deck. Maybe u disagree but thats my opinion. I'm listing them purely on how strong they are, not how easy they are to get. If we're taking that into account, Paragon would be number 1, wouldn't she? We're "struggling" because we're choosing quality over quantity. Sure, I can play 10 creature decks, but then I'd have to go for vanilla creatures instead of all melded creatures. I made it into the Top 50 (and possibly Top 25, I can't recall clearly) of Tournament using eight creature decks. Also, the deck cost difference isn't that huge, certainly not huge enough to ever be factor in deciding whether or not to run Paragon or Toph Beifong. Paragon is a necessary evil. She has 3 skills, Torment (yay!), Sage Advice (yay-eh-blargh) and Delay (noooo). Torment is great, no doubt about it. Sage Advice is a double edged swords. There are relatively few Human creatures you'd want to run alongside Paragon unless you're relying on Fafnir and Mythril Drone to be Revive and Recycle carriers. What everyone will want to run, however, is Aquarius. Sage Advice makes it take longer for Aquarius to go into Hibernation and longer to go out of Hibernation. Also, Sage Advice is not very useful on Paragon because you want Paragon to stay alive for as long as possible, not other human creatures. IIRC, Toph Beifong also has superior base stats to Paragon. As for Delay, it's a shitty skill I'd rather not have, but it's there and there's no helping it. What's the skill most top or even mid tier decks have? Immunity. Lots and lots of it. And eventually, you'll also have enough Immunity Runes to go with them. Delay is blocked by Unbound and triggers Immunity + Immunity rune, healing the opponent. Heck, even if there's no Immunity around, the chances of it hitting is a measly 50%. That's pretty shitty. So Paragon has 1 great skill and 2 skills that are double edged swords. Meanwhile, Toph Beifong has Retreat and Venom Edge. Sure, Retreat also triggers Immunity, but it hits only one creature, as opposed to 3 for Paragon. Venom Edge, meanwhile, ignores Immunity and can only be blocked by Unbound. It's also got a higher chance of success than Delay (which tops out at 50%) when leveled up sufficiently, though it only negates Basic Attacks. But at least you're not healing up to 3 enemy creatures per turn. If we throw Capricorn or, worse, sacrifice!Capricorn into the mix, Paragon's Delay is one of the shittiest skills ever. 50/50 chance of succeeding in restraining Capricorn but a 100% chance in triggering Fervent if Capricorn is targeted by Delay. So, with a much better alternative for a Tormenter, Paragon drops to 10th place, if even that... if we're speaking strictly of how powerful and useful creatures are and not taking into account how easy they are to be attained.
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Post by shofukamachi on Oct 3, 2016 17:58:06 GMT
Paragon drops to place 10. Sorry i dissagree with u here. 1. Paragon is gonne be eassier to get then geomancer 2. As long as she is in play no matter how good your cards are they never going to be back. 3. The cost compares to geomancer is big. And i already see how u top players are struggling with your deck cost. Lets not even talk about if u wanne have 2 torment cards in your deck. Maybe u disagree but thats my opinion. I'm listing them purely on how strong they are, not how easy they are to get. If we're taking that into account, Paragon would be number 1, wouldn't she? We're "struggling" because we're choosing quality over quantity. Sure, I can play 10 creature decks, but then I'd have to go for vanilla creatures instead of all melded creatures. I made it into the Top 50 (and possibly Top 25, I can't recall clearly) of Tournament using eight creature decks. Also, the deck cost difference isn't that huge, certainly not huge enough to ever be factor in deciding whether or not to run Paragon or Toph Beifong. Paragon is a necessary evil. She has 3 skills, Torment (yay!), Sage Advice (yay-eh-blargh) and Delay (noooo). Torment is great, no doubt about it. Sage Advice is a double edged swords. There are relatively few Human creatures you'd want to run alongside Paragon unless you're relying on Fafnir and Mythril Drone to be Revive and Recycle carriers. What everyone will want to run, however, is Aquarius. Sage Advice makes it take longer for Aquarius to go into Hibernation and longer to go out of Hibernation. Also, Sage Advice is not very useful on Paragon because you want Paragon to stay alive for as long as possible, not other human creatures. IIRC, Toph Beifong also has superior base stats to Paragon. As for Delay, it's a shitty skill I'd rather not have, but it's there and there's no helping it. What's the skill most top or even mid tier decks have? Immunity. Lots and lots of it. And eventually, you'll also have enough Immunity Runes to go with them. Delay is blocked by Unbound and triggers Immunity + Immunity rune, healing the opponent. Heck, even if there's no Immunity around, the chances of it hitting is a measly 50%. That's pretty shitty. So Paragon has 1 great skill and 2 skills that are double edged swords. Meanwhile, Toph Beifong has Retreat and Venom Edge. Sure, Retreat also triggers Immunity, but it hits only one creature, as opposed to 3 for Paragon. Venom Edge, meanwhile, ignores Immunity and can only be blocked by Unbound. It's also got a higher chance of success than Delay (which tops out at 50%) when leveled up sufficiently, though it only negates Basic Attacks. But at least you're not healing up to 3 enemy creatures per turn. If we throw Capricorn or, worse, sacrifice!Capricorn into the mix, Paragon's Delay is one of the shittiest skills ever. 50/50 chance of succeeding in restraining Capricorn but a 100% chance in triggering Fervent if Capricorn is targeted by Delay. So, with a much better alternative for a Tormenter, Paragon drops to 10th place, if even that... if we're speaking strictly of how powerful and useful creatures are and not taking into account how easy they are to be attained. Congratulations...you just won the thread
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Post by Gumba on Oct 3, 2016 17:59:52 GMT
Speaking of Capricon, on which rank would you place it?
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Post by opalnera on Oct 3, 2016 18:16:12 GMT
I totaly agree with u, but still how weak the card is, the Torment skill on her is a huge factor in any game.
Just look at your 1e game agains Sexy. Her paragon(2 pieces) made a huge impact and was 1 of the major reasson u hardly revived anything. U had 1 and was for only for 2 rounds on the board and depleted your deck. She ALMOST won(or not).
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 3, 2016 18:40:18 GMT
Honestly? Paragon only just cracks top 5 at this point I would say. Other cards are simply too good. Torment remains incredibly powerful, and you'd obviously use it if available. However, if you wanted a deck changing creature, Octavius takes first place now.
I would go for;
Octavius Taurus Aquarius Capricorn Geomancer/Paragon (not enough to separate them by much tbh)
Special nod to Sylvan Enchantress that barely misses the cut- but at 20% her skill is simply too unreliable compared to the above. Soul Shrew similarly suffers from just dealing basic damage rather than direct- much easier to counter than the above cards.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 19:48:43 GMT
Speaking of Capricon, on which rank would you place it? Unmelded? Maybe 12th. Melded with Sacrifice? Top 5 for sure.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 19:50:14 GMT
I totaly agree with u, but still how weak the card is, the Torment skill on her is a huge factor in any game. Just look at your 1e game agains Sexy. Her paragon(2 pieces) made a huge impact and was 1 of the major reasson u hardly revived anything. U had 1 and was for only for 2 rounds on the board and depleted your deck. She ALMOST won(or not). Again, tier lists list entries by strengths alone, not rarity. Imagine a world where everyone has access to all creatures. Nobody, and I mean nobody, would ever choose Paragon over Toph Beifong. Paragon would be lucky to get 10th. Imagine if Sexy's Paragon had been a Toph Beifong instead.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 19:50:47 GMT
Special nod to Sylvan Enchantress that barely misses the cut- but at 20% her skill is simply too unreliable compared to the above. Soul Shrew similarly suffers from just dealing basic damage rather than direct- much easier to counter than the above cards. I'd suggest you take a look at mine among my tournament decks.
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Post by SquagglyCat on Oct 3, 2016 20:09:56 GMT
Special nod to Sylvan Enchantress that barely misses the cut- but at 20% her skill is simply too unreliable compared to the above. Soul Shrew similarly suffers from just dealing basic damage rather than direct- much easier to counter than the above cards. I'd suggest you take a look at mine among my tournament decks. Didn't show you upgraded her skill when I looked the other day. I saw the i10 but still 1 for skill.
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Post by Yuna on Oct 3, 2016 20:18:31 GMT
I'd suggest you take a look at mine among my tournament decks. Didn't show you upgraded her skill when I looked the other day. I saw the i10 but still 1 for skill. There's a glitch that sometimes doesn't show upgraded skills. It's only cosmetic. Weird how it showed I upgraded her 4th skill (I got it through evolution) but not that I upgraded her 3rd skill. A lvl 10 (it maxes out at 10) Bewitching Melody has a 70% chance of success. And it ignores control effects (she'll sing at people even when controlled by Vile Songstress!).
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Post by tchex on Oct 3, 2016 23:07:13 GMT
I wouldn't say paragon, archdeva, mystic etc are great cards alone, they just have one really overpowered skill each.
Cards like Octavius, soul shrew , ordinance and several zodiacs should top any list thanks to their base skills being a perfect combination of high defence and heavy offense. Other cards only start to shine when they are melded/have skills melded off them.
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Post by japoon on Oct 4, 2016 0:04:35 GMT
Does anyone mention Sagittarius?
Dodge Deception 2 Arrow for its ATK direct damage
Standalone is very good. Meld with Immunity, Sacrifice or Voodoo is good
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Post by Yuna on Oct 4, 2016 2:18:07 GMT
Does anyone mention Sagittarius? Dodge Deception 2 Arrow for its ATK direct damage Standalone is very good. Meld with Immunity, Sacrifice or Voodoo is good The Hell melds Voodoo onto Sagittarius?
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Post by ZanderX10 on Oct 4, 2016 3:29:37 GMT
Honestly? Paragon only just cracks top 5 at this point I would say. Other cards are simply too good. Torment remains incredibly powerful, and you'd obviously use it if available. However, if you wanted a deck changing creature, Octavius takes first place now. I would go for; Octavius Taurus Aquarius Capricorn Geomancer/Paragon (not enough to separate them by much tbh) Special nod to Sylvan Enchantress that barely misses the cut- but at 20% her skill is simply too unreliable compared to the above. Soul Shrew similarly suffers from just dealing basic damage rather than direct- much easier to counter than the above cards. soul shrew only sort of deals basic dmg. She goes right through dodge. Only thing that stops her is rampart, block, and frost armor. None of which are prevailant in most decks. Yes you do see some crits with each of the aforementioned defensive skills but most decks use cards that rely on dodge for defense and soul shrew circumvents it 100%.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Oct 4, 2016 3:36:04 GMT
There should be 2 separate classifications for top crits to make this argument a bit less muddled (lol). 1. Dmg crits 2. Meta crits
Dmg 1. Octavius 2. Soul Shrew (my personal favorite card) 3. Ordnance 4. Taurus (rank 4 because lack of defensive skills unmelded) 5. Capricorn/Saggitarius (capricorn can be much more reliable but good lightfoot procs are hard to come bye)
Meta 1. Aquarius 2. Paragon 3. Queen Temptress 4. Stops mattering after this point 5. See 4.
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