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Post by revenant on Aug 30, 2018 10:09:32 GMT
I mean fairly obtainable creatures, Mortii or Neander. I have 2xMD revive and 1xBloodletter revive atm and Freya
Also, another GM is arriving through shards, so, where I would put her revive to be of good use with WH? For the second, I think that Bloodletter is ok, though not that great
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Post by dendeze on Aug 30, 2018 10:46:24 GMT
this is one i wanted to try: Chiroptera (obtaineable from ls)
Does good damage, has FA and increases health... (but no recycle)
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Post by revenant on Aug 30, 2018 11:11:56 GMT
this is one i wanted to try: Chiroptera (obtaineable from ls) Does good damage, has FA and increases health... (but no recycle) Dunno, I wouldn't call Chiro a fairly obtainable creature I do have one through LS, but guess I'd better rely on mortii melds if I would like to meld than trying to get more with LS. Would be nice though. Also the cats duo would be good, but Kitsune and Kumiho aren't so easy to get, I have one each. Maybe a Rev Oinari? Maybe something else as well... someone would argue that a hard to kill creature is better than one that has high rebirth skill.
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Post by losspurs on Aug 30, 2018 14:23:07 GMT
Ooh revive spirit siren is surprisingly effective for me. Decent rebirth rate, but the best part is that slight rage control that buy me a little time.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 30, 2018 14:34:40 GMT
Rev/rec Nidd is good if you are stacking Neanders. Kumiho is a good long term aim, with rev kit+Kum you can forgoe the recycler. FS rev is great, but that particular ship sailed off quickly. Oinari with 6 turns and no defences seems too weak to invest into - though there are a few out there to see in action.
Bloodletter is OK for Mortii, SS works well with deathless and it can be useful to allow retreat on a reviver against eg VS. Death knight and demonic templar make good s/d rev carriers. Some like snow harlot for rec/rev, but also not so easy to get hold of. TD will work in the short term - as for long term attainable options, I don't see many. Chiroptera and virgo look decent if you can get them, Gemini too. rec Octavius too obviously - should be gettable for 100K-150K-ish gems if they keep up the events.
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Post by jp on Aug 30, 2018 21:58:36 GMT
For fairly obtainable cards? there is NONE, lol, I too struggle with my second revive for Wraith hunter, currently bloodletter, not a huge fan of her (maybe would be better if I had high hit rate on equipment), I also have Spirit Siren (w/rebirth rune), I am leaning toward S Siren just for the rage control.
honestly, there isn't that many choices from the Morti/Neander (fairly obtainable) pool, its either stone skin or rebirth (Nidhogg, Anathema, Blood letter, S Siren, Pitdragon,) they will always lack some sort of defense against discording, retreat, instakill/disposal, lockdown, since you want your creatures to stay unbounded when Wraith fires off his skill, Pitdragon would make some sense but he is easily retreated or instakill/disposed, I have been sitting on 2 spare revives the last month with no idea who to meld it on to, I might do another S Siren + Anathema or Nidhogg, I am so confused right now.
Abaddon and Anubis is the only 2 immunity creatures from quild map, but almost no guild want to open up Map 7 and against deck with immunity runes abaddon would be a huge drawback.
The biggest weakness of my deck is the lack of big hitters or Aqua (board control) and these common revive carriers shows their weakness ever so clearly, would love me some Soul Shrew (wishful thinking) or even Pisces (only because I already have 2) or Snow Harlots (only because I have 3, sigh).
Soon, I might switch over to SA 8/9 for main deck, I really struggle with Wraith hunter's deck limitation, maybe i just suck at this game, or very unlucky, why am I still playing (venting my frustration).
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Aug 31, 2018 14:35:19 GMT
For fairly obtainable cards? there is NONE, lol, I too struggle with my second revive for Wraith hunter, currently bloodletter, not a huge fan of her (maybe would be better if I had high hit rate on equipment), I also have Spirit Siren (w/rebirth rune), I am leaning toward S Siren just for the rage control. honestly, there isn't that many choices from the Morti/Neander (fairly obtainable) pool, its either stone skin or rebirth (Nidhogg, Anathema, Blood letter, S Siren, Pitdragon,) they will always lack some sort of defense against discording, retreat, instakill/disposal, lockdown, since you want your creatures to stay unbounded when Wraith fires off his skill, Pitdragon would make some sense but he is easily retreated or instakill/disposed, I have been sitting on 2 spare revives the last month with no idea who to meld it on to, I might do another S Siren + Anathema or Nidhogg, I am so confused right now. Abaddon and Anubis is the only 2 immunity creatures from quild map, but almost no guild want to open up Map 7 and against deck with immunity runes abaddon would be a huge drawback. The biggest weakness of my deck is the lack of big hitters or Aqua (board control) and these common revive carriers shows their weakness ever so clearly, would love me some Soul Shrew (wishful thinking) or even Pisces (only because I already have 2) or Snow Harlots (only because I have 3, sigh). Soon, I might switch over to SA 8/9 for main deck, I really struggle with Wraith hunter's deck limitation, maybe i just suck at this game, or very unlucky, why am I still playing (venting my frustration). I have the same thought with you since the most popular faction is human (aqua, paragon, hanzo etc.), that will restrict the number of morti/neander creatures in your deck. And there is not much choice for good and common revive carrier from Neander/Morti faction. For uncommon creatures, IMO fs, sisters, oinari, revenant are good in wh deck. For rare creatures, pisces, gd, virgo. Virgo is awesome in wh deck, as she can summon his bf, to increase your morti headcount.
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Post by jp on Aug 31, 2018 20:25:03 GMT
I have the same thought with you since the most popular faction is human (aqua, paragon, hanzo etc.), that will restrict the number of morti/neander creatures in your deck. And there is not much choice for good and common revive carrier from Neander/Morti faction. For uncommon creatures, IMO fs, sisters, oinari, revenant are good in wh deck. For rare creatures, pisces, gd, virgo. Virgo is awesome in wh deck, as she can summon his bf, to increase your morti headcount. Exactly, 4 of my best cards are humans (Mythril revive, Paragon, Plaque doctor, Hanzo), with a 9 card deck that's almost half, if I ever get a Aqua, wraith just wouldn't make any sense, for now I can't even use PD in my deck.
Revive Virgo would be awesome except I don't even have one, have 1 GD but not sure when I can get more, Sisters and Oinari are doable but with so much spending around and 530k+ ore plus saving up for a good total spending event, its hard for me to commit to the gem mine, Revenant could be interesting since I do have 3.
However a big hitter + Aqua is more of my priority, when you keep loosing board control, revive becomes secondary.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 1, 2018 22:48:35 GMT
Revive becomes useless with the creation new undying cards... it is really secondary in the presence of cards like artoila... nereid.. even those dark reversal cards like dark summoner.. witch and then u have those crystal ward xards like dragon lancer .. firebrand...
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Post by Nafai✪APeXNFS on Sept 2, 2018 10:35:21 GMT
Revive becomes useless with the creation new undying cards... it is really secondary in the presence of cards like artoila... nereid.. even those dark reversal cards like dark summoner.. witch and then u have those crystal ward xards like dragon lancer .. firebrand... You always need to revive your Paragon
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Post by squirreleyez on Sept 2, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
If you're doing lucky spin and have LP saved up, consider melding revive/rec2 on Cyber Eye. The detonate bandwagon was hyped for a while, but honestly he might be better with one of these melds.
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Post by japoon on Sept 2, 2018 22:56:38 GMT
If you're doing lucky spin and have LP saved up, consider melding revive/rec2 on Cyber Eye. The detonate bandwagon was hyped for a while, but honestly he might be better with one of these melds. Not so useful for Cyber Eye. It target the opponent graveyard but not on the field.
Most of the time the opponent creature on the table made you lose. Opponent graveyard can be stopped 90% by PARAGON.
Cyber Eye Rebirth 8 - Most of the time blocked by opponent PARAGON Immunity 8 - Protect Opponent Retreat. Magic? No one will use Vaporize - The only useful skill for him but it work only when there is creature in opponent graveyard when it destroyed.
SUMMARY: Not so useful for this creature compared to other OP creatures like Octavious, Artolia, Dragon Lancer etc
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Post by revenant on Sept 3, 2018 9:49:22 GMT
For fairly obtainable cards? there is NONE, lol, I too struggle with my second revive for Wraith hunter, currently bloodletter, not a huge fan of her (maybe would be better if I had high hit rate on equipment), I also have Spirit Siren (w/rebirth rune), I am leaning toward S Siren just for the rage control. honestly, there isn't that many choices from the Morti/Neander (fairly obtainable) pool, its either stone skin or rebirth (Nidhogg, Anathema, Blood letter, S Siren, Pitdragon,) they will always lack some sort of defense against discording, retreat, instakill/disposal, lockdown, since you want your creatures to stay unbounded when Wraith fires off his skill, Pitdragon would make some sense but he is easily retreated or instakill/disposed, I have been sitting on 2 spare revives the last month with no idea who to meld it on to, I might do another S Siren + Anathema or Nidhogg, I am so confused right now. Abaddon and Anubis is the only 2 immunity creatures from quild map, but almost no guild want to open up Map 7 and against deck with immunity runes abaddon would be a huge drawback. The biggest weakness of my deck is the lack of big hitters or Aqua (board control) and these common revive carriers shows their weakness ever so clearly, would love me some Soul Shrew (wishful thinking) or even Pisces (only because I already have 2) or Snow Harlots (only because I have 3, sigh). Soon, I might switch over to SA 8/9 for main deck, I really struggle with Wraith hunter's deck limitation, maybe i just suck at this game, or very unlucky, why am I still playing (venting my frustration). I have the same thought with you since the most popular faction is human (aqua, paragon, hanzo etc.), that will restrict the number of morti/neander creatures in your deck. And there is not much choice for good and common revive carrier from Neander/Morti faction. For uncommon creatures, IMO fs, sisters, oinari, revenant are good in wh deck. For rare creatures, pisces, gd, virgo. Virgo is awesome in wh deck, as she can summon his bf, to increase your morti headcount. Would say the same, moreover I have a Druid which is close to lvl 3, and will grow subsequently, so WH ain't for main deck for long. Still he goes well in Tournament deck, where he doesn't get some of the top Human cards, and I definitely need a second revive for him (as the other two decks have two each), cheap.
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Post by squirreleyez on Sept 4, 2018 7:08:46 GMT
If you're doing lucky spin and have LP saved up, consider melding revive/rec2 on Cyber Eye. The detonate bandwagon was hyped for a while, but honestly he might be better with one of these melds. Not so useful for Cyber Eye. It target the opponent graveyard but not on the field.
Most of the time the opponent creature on the table made you lose. Opponent graveyard can be stopped 90% by PARAGON.
Cyber Eye Rebirth 8 - Most of the time blocked by opponent PARAGON Immunity 8 - Protect Opponent Retreat. Magic? No one will use Vaporize - The only useful skill for him but it work only when there is creature in opponent graveyard when it destroyed.
SUMMARY: Not so useful for this creature compared to other OP creatures like Octavious, Artolia, Dragon Lancer etc
He wanted fairly obtainable creatures that were mortii/neander XD. I'm not going to argue that a revive Artolia is better...
Your points are very good though... but I feel like you're putting the little guy down a little too much. With a lot of high power wipes for each player, I think paragon can be down a lot? I'm not super high yet, but I'm seeing very high damage cards like melded octa's, firebrands, dragonlancer, dark summoner, etc, where fields can get wiped for both sides. Totally agree with your point about winning on the table though
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Post by Edayn✪NFS on Sept 4, 2018 8:24:13 GMT
Rev Oinari, especially for the (s)rev and its rune, which can allow you to rev up to 2 creatures (and playable instantly) + 2 rev creature on Oinari's turn. I did prefer rev Oinari over MD.
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Post by lotnar on Sept 4, 2018 9:07:12 GMT
If you're doing lucky spin and have LP saved up, consider melding revive/rec2 on Cyber Eye. The detonate bandwagon was hyped for a while, but honestly he might be better with one of these melds. Not so useful for Cyber Eye. It target the opponent graveyard but not on the field.
Most of the time the opponent creature on the table made you lose. Opponent graveyard can be stopped 90% by PARAGON.
Cyber Eye Rebirth 8 - Most of the time blocked by opponent PARAGON Immunity 8 - Protect Opponent Retreat. Magic? No one will use Vaporize - The only useful skill for him but it work only when there is creature in opponent graveyard when it destroyed.
SUMMARY: Not so useful for this creature compared to other OP creatures like Octavious, Artolia, Dragon Lancer etc
Thinking out loud, it would't be more effective to actually replace Parago with Cyber eye? Destroying a creature may be better than preserving them to enter back in battle. It's true that it's one-hit versus all crits in graveyard, but it worth at least some experiments.
On topic, probably easiest to obtain Neander reviver is Nidhogg.
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Post by Edayn✪NFS on Sept 4, 2018 12:32:05 GMT
Not so useful for Cyber Eye. It target the opponent graveyard but not on the field.
Most of the time the opponent creature on the table made you lose. Opponent graveyard can be stopped 90% by PARAGON.
Cyber Eye Rebirth 8 - Most of the time blocked by opponent PARAGON Immunity 8 - Protect Opponent Retreat. Magic? No one will use Vaporize - The only useful skill for him but it work only when there is creature in opponent graveyard when it destroyed.
SUMMARY: Not so useful for this creature compared to other OP creatures like Octavious, Artolia, Dragon Lancer etc
Thinking out loud, it would't be more effective to actually replace Parago with Cyber eye? Destroying a creature may be better than preserving them to enter back in battle. It's true that it's one-hit versus all crits in graveyard, but it worth at least some experiments.
On topic, probably easiest to obtain Neander reviver is Nidhogg.
Replace paragon with cyber eye ? No way Add cyber eye to a deck which includes paragon, definitely.
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Post by jp on Sept 4, 2018 20:06:21 GMT
Rev Oinari, especially for the (s)rev and its rune, which can allow you to rev up to 2 creatures (and playable instantly) + 2 rev creature on Oinari's turn. I did prefer rev Oinari over MD. I might do this after I am finished with my Lvl 9 SA since I already have 2 copies, however with with some nearly undead creatures, e.g. Dark summoner, neferous witch, I might even bring back the old instakill/disposal into the deck, her 6 timer might have a target on her back, but being playable right after revived is very attractive.
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Post by revenant on Sept 5, 2018 9:56:48 GMT
Rev Oinari, especially for the (s)rev and its rune, which can allow you to rev up to 2 creatures (and playable instantly) + 2 rev creature on Oinari's turn. I did prefer rev Oinari over MD. I might do this after I am finished with my Lvl 9 SA since I already have 2 copies, however with with some nearly undead creatures, e.g. Dark summoner, neferous witch, I might even bring back the old instakill/disposal into the deck, her 6 timer might have a target on her back, but being playable right after revived is very attractive. I was thinking what to do with some 160k+ ore, now I know I am gonna test a Oinari revive
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Sept 5, 2018 16:32:02 GMT
Thinking out loud, it would't be more effective to actually replace Parago with Cyber eye? Destroying a creature may be better than preserving them to enter back in battle. It's true that it's one-hit versus all crits in graveyard, but it worth at least some experiments.
On topic, probably easiest to obtain Neander reviver is Nidhogg.
Well, since they need to be in the graveyard to get destroyed - Paragon should be considered essential to using Cyber Eye, not a repalcement. Would you drop paragon if using Arma as the hero?
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Post by dendeze on Sept 6, 2018 5:07:52 GMT
I might do this after I am finished with my Lvl 9 SA since I already have 2 copies, however with with some nearly undead creatures, e.g. Dark summoner, neferous witch, I might even bring back the old instakill/disposal into the deck, her 6 timer might have a target on her back, but being playable right after revived is very attractive. I was thinking what to do with some 160k+ ore, now I know I am gonna test a Oinari revive I'd advice against that... I have her with Revive, she dies very very quickly. And (at least at my rank) most people have and use Paragon with immunity and torment rune... so she becomes pretty useless. imo MD > Oinari
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Post by Dementia on Sept 6, 2018 7:17:17 GMT
I'd say the best choice for and "easily attainable" is probably nidhogg. Stoneskin for protection and good health boost to keep your other neanders nice and healthy. I personally like Oinari revive but I think the build of the deck has alot to do with how good she performs. Only other neander creature that's somewhat easy to attain, is Abbadon. But with all the immunity runes going around his magic backfires alot when trying to get rid of enemy creatures
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Post by Dementia on Sept 6, 2018 7:18:19 GMT
Another one that can be used is Anathema if you don't have any other choices
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Post by revenant on Sept 6, 2018 13:40:13 GMT
I'd say the best choice for and "easily attainable" is probably nidhogg. Stoneskin for protection and good health boost to keep your other neanders nice and healthy. I personally like Oinari revive but I think the build of the deck has alot to do with how good she performs. Only other neander creature that's somewhat easy to attain, is Abbadon. But with all the immunity runes going around his magic backfires alot when trying to get rid of enemy creatures Then I already have a half dozen nidhoggs sitting around at lvl.0 Dunno, this issue has unsatisfying answers at best, due to the lack of choices.
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Post by revenant on Sept 6, 2018 13:49:00 GMT
Another one that can be used is Anathema if you don't have any other choices Given Wraith Hunter goes with Nea but also with Mortii, I wonder if I should just meld another revive Bloodletter instead...
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Sept 6, 2018 15:03:16 GMT
Another one that can be used is Anathema if you don't have any other choices Its not a bad revive carrier per-se, it just has stronger meld options for damage - which it really needs to have an impact.
For WH, you can use a sneak Ana with undying for blaze, with detonate rune or s/d revive. Leaves room for a sac twins too.
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Post by squirreleyez on Sept 7, 2018 0:57:07 GMT
Another one that can be used is Anathema if you don't have any other choices Given Wraith Hunter goes with Nea but also with Mortii, I wonder if I should just meld another revive Bloodletter instead... WAIT!! I did a revive Bloodletter because I have WH, AND Mortii hp booster runes, AND a level 8 tit-for-tat rune, AND other runes on her as well. IT STILL UNDERPERFORMS. A Spirit Siren would have been MUCH MUCH better. I am a huge fan of NOT wasting mats, like for re-melding of skills, but in this case I'm going to do it.
In summary and my opinion from extensive use, Bloodletter is not a suitable revive creature, even with tons of boosting factors.
EDIT*** I forgot to give the reason why she fails. It's because her kit relies on auto-attack damage for sustain through her (1) lifesap (and tit-for-tat) and then (2) tit-for-tat rune giving hero rage if creatures are dead. She fails in BOTH of these cases the majority of the time, because, mid-high level players have a good %dodge on equipment and other creatures that are resistant to auto-attacks.... lifesap infrequently (not never... but small) gets a chance to make a difference for her. Tit-for-tat rune... generally relying on your creatures being dead to get boosts is a bad/risky strategy anyways, but melding revive to her makes this even less impactful, since she'll revive a creature and AFTER that do her attack. So tit-for-tat rune typically also makes no difference whatsoever. I've had times when it filled my hero rage bar to nearly full with one attack, but I still lose those games because all my stuff is dead anyways.
So yeah, I loved the idea, but after experimenting with it for so long, I realized I did make a mistake with Bloodletter revive.
EDIT #2: Given all of that, I think the best meld for bloodletter is Frost armor. Then lifesap and her tit-for-tat rune has a better chance to make a difference.
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Sept 7, 2018 5:34:01 GMT
pit dragon is not bad. it has rebirth and unbound. higher base hp too.
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Post by BK✦Ohalko on Sept 7, 2018 5:47:07 GMT
I would suggest magnus, also kind of expensive and not sure its best meld but Dragon Lancer - is now obtainable from LP mall:)
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Sept 7, 2018 14:25:15 GMT
I would suggest magnus, also kind of expensive and not sure its best meld but Dragon Lancer - is now obtainable from LP mall:) The i8 is good, but where do you get the copies from? Maybe if he were farmable - and only to use with WH though, otherwise it seems a fairly weak carrier
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