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Post by onewingangelffvii on Jun 7, 2015 0:48:12 GMT
Using him for my lockdown freeze faen deck. Whats best choice for him
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jun 7, 2015 1:28:44 GMT
Frost Armor.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Jun 7, 2015 4:20:46 GMT
Really really really don't want to come off negatively, but why have you chosen him for the deck? You may want to reconsider him as an addition to a lock-down deck.
He's an insanely good Fighter but he's very specialized for anti-Neander. I personally would consider using something else in a standard deck, and keep Centaur Chief only for taking down specific Neander problems. If you do choose to use him for anti-neander purposes, then FA as derpy said, or Battleblow both make legitimate options. Neander has a lot of block but not too much FA, so getting huge numbers can often help take out problem creatures. Even in PVP, if the enemy has a few Graboids, BB8 Centaur Chief is one of the best ways in the game to take out a SacGrab. If you're hellbent on using him for a Lockdown deck, then I guess I'd go with Frostbite?
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Jun 7, 2015 4:21:20 GMT
Frost armor.
However, if your opponents are gonna be lockdown a lot then life sap may help. But frost armor serves more purposes.
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Jun 7, 2015 4:24:41 GMT
Really really really don't want to come off negatively, but why have you chosen him for the deck? You may want to reconsider him as an addition to a lock-down deck. He's an insanely good Fighter but he's very specialized for anti-Neander. I personally would consider using something else in a standard deck, and keep Centaur Chief only for taking down specific Neander problems. If you do choose to use him for anti-neander purposes, then FA as derpy said, or Battleblow both make legitimate options. Neander has a lot of block but not too much FA, so getting huge numbers can often help take out problem creatures. Even in PVP, if the enemy has a few Graboids, BB8 Centaur Chief is one of the best ways in the game to take out a SacGrab. If you're hellbent on using him for a Lockdown deck, then I guess I'd go with Frostbite? While I totally agree, perhaps it's a defensive measure against neander decks that use spikey bits. Against a Faen deck with magic, people will bust out old spiky bits a fair bit. But one chief ain't gonna counter that attack, either... Better off replacing for more lockdown in the form of delay.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Jun 7, 2015 4:33:29 GMT
Really really really don't want to come off negatively, but why have you chosen him for the deck? You may want to reconsider him as an addition to a lock-down deck. He's an insanely good Fighter but he's very specialized for anti-Neander. I personally would consider using something else in a standard deck, and keep Centaur Chief only for taking down specific Neander problems. If you do choose to use him for anti-neander purposes, then FA as derpy said, or Battleblow both make legitimate options. Neander has a lot of block but not too much FA, so getting huge numbers can often help take out problem creatures. Even in PVP, if the enemy has a few Graboids, BB8 Centaur Chief is one of the best ways in the game to take out a SacGrab. If you're hellbent on using him for a Lockdown deck, then I guess I'd go with Frostbite? While I totally agree, perhaps it's a defensive measure against neander decks that use spikey bits. Against a Faen deck with magic, people will bust out old spiky bits a fair bit. But one chief ain't gonna counter that attack, either... Better off replacing for more lockdown in the form of delay. Point taken about the Spiky bits. It depends what else he's shooting though for his Freeze Deck. If he's got 4 more Frostbites then I'm guessing everything is going to die regardless hehehe... I do agree though that Delay would be superior to Frostbite if you have access to one. Delay 2 can be farmed in the Gauntlet's Token Mall from Icy Huntresses. I'd probably still take Frostbite over Delay 1 though. If he needs a tank then the FA is a great option but he could probably do just as well with a Frost Rager for Synergy, or a Sentry Angel/Swordmaster/Ursa Major. I've Evolved and Melded over 30 creatures at this point (over 40 including my Alt Account) and while it's fun and interesting I do regret some of the time/energy/resources I've wasted on some of the melds.
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Jun 7, 2015 4:49:36 GMT
While I totally agree, perhaps it's a defensive measure against neander decks that use spikey bits. Against a Faen deck with magic, people will bust out old spiky bits a fair bit. But one chief ain't gonna counter that attack, either... Better off replacing for more lockdown in the form of delay. Point taken about the Spiky bits. It depends what else he's shooting though for his Freeze Deck. If he's got 4 more Frostbites then I'm guessing everything is going to die regardless hehehe... I do agree though that Delay would be superior to Frostbite if you have access to one. Delay 2 can be farmed in the Gauntlet's Token Mall from Icy Huntresses. I'd probably still take Frostbite over Delay 1 though. If he needs a tank then the FA is a great option but he could probably do just as well with a Frost Rager for Synergy, or a Sentry Angel/Swordmaster/Ursa Major. I've Evolved and Melded over 30 creatures at this point (over 40 including my Alt Account) and while it's fun and interesting I do regret some of the time/energy/resources I've wasted on some of the melds. Yeah I don't really rate delay 1 either. I constantly farm ice huntress for her delay 2 for that reason. I have it melded to a horned beast and it is really handy in my faen lockdown deck. You're right about synergy. If I go frost armor in my LD deck then I will put ragers in. Normally 2. There hp buff is sweet. Hard to make an accurate suggestion though without knowing other details of the deck and purposes for the card/meld. So these threads are always tricky to answer without a massive write up to cover all bases. I'm similar. I've evolved about 30 odd critters in my main account but less than half have melds. Mainly due to needing copies but also because I don't want to make a mistake with a wrong meld. Making sure my meld is worth the time I've put in.
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Jun 7, 2015 23:10:48 GMT
Alright. I'm not dead set on using him I just don't know wat else to use. My deck isn't even really freeze based yet I just wanted something to compliment the naga freeze I have arrow brave and moon with sneak already. And horned beast and peg lord both delay 2. I just wanna lockdown as much as possible.wat r some better variable options for this type of deck? So far its dev hunter I haven't enhanced his skills yet cuz idk wat to use. 2 light braves both with recycle. Phoenix. Naga. H beast and peg delay 2, flame brave. Moon guard. So I'm open to all advice and input. The main goal is don't let the enemy attack. I don't care how its done. Is faen rampager good since she has delay also? Pale dragon?.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Jun 8, 2015 0:21:30 GMT
Alright. I'm not dead set on using him I just don't know wat else to use. My deck isn't even really freeze based yet I just wanted something to compliment the naga freeze I have arrow brave and moon with sneak already. And horned beast and peg lord both delay 2. I just wanna lockdown as much as possible.wat r some better variable options for this type of deck? So far its dev hunter I haven't enhanced his skills yet cuz idk wat to use. 2 light braves both with recycle. Phoenix. Naga. H beast and peg delay 2, flame brave. Moon guard. So I'm open to all advice and input. The main goal is don't let the enemy attack. I don't care how its done. Is faen rampager good since she has delay also? Pale dragon?. Good info! Okay so: Devil Hunter - Arrow Brave
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- Horned Beast (Delay 2)
- Pegasus Lord (Delay 2)
- Naga Mistress
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- Light Brave (Recycle)
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One comment is that you have a lot of Miasma in your deck, so you might find better alternatives for a resting deck. Since you have a full Faen Deck, you would benefit a whole lot from Sprite Link and Elven Salve. Rampager wouldn't be as good of an addition as another Naga Mistress. You have a lot of Delay 2s which is a pretty great start. You are missing some Tanks in case the enemy has Unbound or Immune creatures, but you might really not need them. With Devil Hunter you really don't have to be quite so thorough with lockdowns, but remember that he will only stop physical strikes like Paralysis, not all abilities like Freeze or Delay. It's my opinion that Freeze and Delay are better even with the Entangle, so it still makes sense to pile on more but it definitely takes away the need for a tank. I'd probably look to phase out your heavy physical hitters and replace them with more casters. If you can get your hands on another Flame Brave, another Pheonix would be awesome too. My only warning is that this deck is not going to work against certain decks in high end PVP and elsewhere. Neander Heroes with spiky bits are always going to be a problem with this type of deck, and there may be some high end decks with some immunity or unbound creatures strong enough to wreak havoc. Otherwise, it looks like a lot of fun!
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Jun 8, 2015 0:24:58 GMT
I have 3 flame braves but I never evolded cuz I can't meld it's hard to get duplicates
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jun 8, 2015 4:49:28 GMT
Unevolved Flame Braves still work phenomenally well with Devil Hunter.
It's worth mentioning that although spiky bits can wreck you before you even start, if you have a good enough recycle crew going you can actually get back into it. That's where Flame Brave is absolutely brilliant- it has that fast re-entry. You also have a great recycle choice for this kind of deck with 2 Light Braves- there's a high chance they get killed in the opening barrage, and come right back to repair the damage.
AoE damage with a large amount of lockdown will get your DH skill working, then you can really pick them apart. I agree that Centaur Chief isn't your best bet in a lockdown deck- he hits too hard, which negates the point of the DH skill, and doesn't offer anything except big damage on single targets. Ideally you'd want all the deck whittled down gradually at the same time, so you can hopefully knock out all the recycle in one round.
The deck above looks great, I would be looking to replace the Arrow Brave and Moon Guardian though. You could still bring in non-Faen creatures, something like a Nidhogg adds some stoneskin as well as the big delay 3- if you have any good single-use guys like Spirit Siren/Phantom Liege they go nicely, or a disposal. You could throw in a Bless Rager and Dream Guide with bless runes to heal your hero as well as build his rage gauge faster. If you get your hands on an Ash Beast, that would be a fantastic pivot to build around- they have a great skillset for Devil Hunter.
All a personal choice for those last 3 slots, good luck!
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Post by Opethian on Jun 8, 2015 10:16:37 GMT
Loving my Frosty Centaur Chief. He's the nightmare of those Neander decks. And boy does he last. I'm hoping to get a second one.
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Jun 8, 2015 15:18:36 GMT
Good advice I didn't know a lot of these things. Although it sucks I don't have phantom or niddhogg. I have gorgon and two Hanuman's if u think that would help and I have 3bless ragers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 16:40:44 GMT
Centaur cheif goes well with fa, bb or even immunity to make a mini Mimirs tree. Imo u should go fa overall but in ur lockdown deck i suggest not using him at all. Just put some nagas and pegasus some support and ur done.
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