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Post by R✰Slippo on Feb 12, 2015 16:04:19 GMT
How would you guys rank the summoning heroes? Like many people, my current deck is Mortii heavy (and I have Wight atm) but I'm unsure which summoning hero I should be working on. Basic logic says Deathmort, but I've heard a bunch of praise for Dragonrider as well. What are your thoughts/how much do you like the summon hero you have if you have one?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Feb 12, 2015 16:20:39 GMT
I would also be interest in this information, my best hero so far is a 3* gladiator a i know nothing of 4* summoning heroes because the descriptions won't let you know the habilities and stats of the summoned creatures, i've learned a bit from watching fights against higher level heroes in raids, gauntlet and trials but you can't get all the information that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 20:41:42 GMT
I dont have either of them but I have fought against Predator that is also summons Bear and that was pretty bad a** one with about 2000 hp. I am pretty sure that Dragon Raider would be good choice with summoning dragons.
I dont know what Deathmort summons though.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Feb 13, 2015 5:21:47 GMT
Heroes with Summoner Skills are all extremely good, but you really need to get the Hero to level 5 or 10 which takes a ton of Hero Shards. I would absolutely say, though, that level 10 Berserker and Dragon Rider are as good as if not better than most of the 5-star Heroes.
Of course all the heroes scale up tremendously, but creatures like Wight really don't need a high level skill to do a lot of damage. So the question has more to do with theorycrafting versus real life. In the short run, you may find yourself better off with an easier-to-obtain Wight or Paw Master.
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Post by R@GNORLOTHBROK on Feb 15, 2015 18:23:42 GMT
"Heroes with Summoner Skills are all extremely good, but you really need to get the Hero to level 5 or 10 which takes a ton of Hero Shards. I would absolutely say, though, that level 10 Berserker and Dragon Rider are as good as if not better than most of the 5-star Heroes.
Of course all the heroes scale up tremendously, but creatures like Wight really don't need a high level skill to do a lot of damage. So the question has more to do with theorycrafting versus real life. In the short run, you may find yourself better off with an easier-to-obtain Wight or Paw Master."
I second this from, Soaponarope. It makes ore sense obtaining those shards to get is indeed costly.
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Post by R✰Slippo on Feb 17, 2015 2:18:12 GMT
Heroes with Summoner Skills are all extremely good, but you really need to get the Hero to level 5 or 10 which takes a ton of Hero Shards. I would absolutely say, though, that level 10 Berserker and Dragon Rider are as good as if not better than most of the 5-star Heroes. Of course all the heroes scale up tremendously, but creatures like Wight really don't need a high level skill to do a lot of damage. So the question has more to do with theorycrafting versus real life. In the short run, you may find yourself better off with an easier-to-obtain Wight or Paw Master. Since the 4* summoning heroes and non-summoning 4* heroes are obtained with different resources (outside of guild mall) and the summoning heroes take much longer to farm, I was wanting to open up some discussion on which a player should work towards. With Mortii being the most common 5* creature cards, Deathmort seems like the best choice, but I've seen extremely Mortii heavy decks running with Dragonrider in the top 25 of my arena bracket. This leads me to think that Dragonrider is the strongest 4* summoning hero, especially once his skills have been leveled. I'm leaning towards Dragonrider due to popularity with higher ranked players, but with only one 5* Human atm I don't know how much sense that makes. What are your thoughts on Deathmort & Predator? are they drastically inferior to Dragonrider & Beserker? Theorycraft me!
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Feb 18, 2015 1:02:16 GMT
My 2 cents
If you have a mortii heavy deck then deathmort would suit the best IMO just for the flow of the deck etc..
Your cards aside, berserker is an animal hero. Being able to cast a Boar into battle that has awesome attack buffs for all your creatures. The difference is he can keep casting boars when his rage powers up allowing him to have a totally of 3 boars out in play at once. Allowing for some heavy buffing.
Predator, deathmort and dragon rider all can only have one in play at a time, making their rage sit at 100 if they already have one in play. Casting another as soon as that one dies. I'm no expert as to why dragon rider would be the choice of these 3 other than the buffs the dragon gives are better than the grizzly from predator and the puppet from deathmort.
But they all seem to be really powerful when they're leveled up...
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Post by shadowninja on Feb 18, 2015 21:45:05 GMT
I asked about this the other day why everyone seemed to be leaning towards Dragon rider rather than Berserker as from what I saw if sikey bits were added to Berserker it looks to be by far the better hero to go for, either use magic and kill loads of your creatures in 1-2 goes or wait and play catch up. Then I started looking at the summoned creatures themselves and noticed that each had a different skills at level 5 and 10, that's were it started to make sense that Dragon Rider can be used in pretty much any type of deck you make and the Berserker benefits a lot from a heavy Neander deck. Also at level 10 the dragon has a 50% chance not to be harmed by magic or basic attacks or retreats (maybe wrong but seems OP as hell to me, but first you got to get it to level 10 first). In case you wondered the difference between all of them I've added screenshots of the level 5 and 10 skills, so it may help make up your mind as to how they could best work with the deck your trying to make.
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Feb 19, 2015 4:02:06 GMT
Sweet, backs up what I said. Both solid cards
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Post by Hitmus2✪NFS(xerks) on Feb 19, 2015 6:13:00 GMT
Thanks Shadowninja, it helps alot upon decision making.
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Post by Absoul on Feb 19, 2015 15:43:11 GMT
Berserker is probably the best 4* summoner hero since he has spiky bits. Also probably the best hero in guild maps since your boars will soak up all the damage against your hero and will be summoned every turn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 19:50:50 GMT
im not able to test it but my logic tells me that berserker is better then dragon rider in equal battle becuse of spiky bits he can just dmg enemy hero so that dragons aoe triggers and then spiky bits destroy whole team . Im not sure tho it maybe dont work like that .
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Post by R✰Slippo on Feb 19, 2015 21:40:15 GMT
im not able to test it but my logic tells me that berserker is better then dragon rider in equal battle becuse of spiky bits he can just dmg enemy hero so that dragons aoe triggers and then spiky bits destroy whole team . Im not sure tho it maybe dont work like that . If I'm not mistaken, and I very well may be, the dragon's ability wouldn't proc spikey bits since its similar to the blazing effect and not direct magic damage? Anyone with a Dragonrider know for sure?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 1:18:56 GMT
thats why i said im not sure XD but yea if somebody knows would be nice to know
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Post by R✰Slippo on Feb 20, 2015 16:39:06 GMT
thats why i said im not sure XD but yea if somebody knows would be nice to know So I watched a match against a dragon lvl 10 and read the description and you are right, it does 350 damage initially so that should proceed spikey bits every time the immolate procs, but not on the burn aspect. The initial proc, reprocs about every turn though!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 14:54:38 GMT
ok i got it confirmed spiky bits dont work with dragon immolate :S
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Post by R@GNORLOTHBROK on Feb 22, 2015 0:59:50 GMT
You are doing some thing wrong in the sense that there is one best hero there simply is not. the utilization of heroes is best used for certain out comes, we dont need a single hero to do all or every thing that is why we have many to choose from.
I use the heroes who has effects and abilities that i need at what time i need them not just for a single obstacle.
when it all comes down to it we look for advantage heroes who can summon is a big advantage, but tits there real advantage to help when needed in my case i need spiky bits, or undying!! you get what i mean no single use heroes all the time.
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Post by jacobhunterx on Feb 22, 2015 1:45:16 GMT
You are doing some thing wrong in the sense that there is one best hero there simply is not. the utilization of heroes is best used for certain out comes, we dont need a single hero to do all or every thing that is why we have many to choose from. I use the heroes who has effects and abilities that i need at what time i need them not just for a single obstacle. when it all comes down to it we look for advantage heroes who can summon is a big advantage, but tits there real advantage to help when needed in my case i need spiky bits, or undying!! you get what i mean no single use heroes all the time. lol tits damn auto correct
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Post by R@GNORLOTHBROK on Feb 22, 2015 17:04:14 GMT
Lol nice>
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 20:28:19 GMT
Predator can prevent other Summoning heroes to summon.
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Post by Sytry on Apr 5, 2015 10:50:27 GMT
Predator Bear reduces Hero rage when soaking damage for your Hero. Great for preventing enemy from using Hero Skill. Berserker Summons are perfect for soaking damage, increasing Neander dmg, and it also increases your Hero's rage gain upon soaking damage.
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Post by abisal on Apr 10, 2015 5:04:10 GMT
Berserker is probably the best one, IMO. The three pigs can actually hold opposite teams on their own for several turns. I would have probably farmed him over Predator if I had owned any good Neander cards a month ago.
Predator's bear's main benefit is that it is pretty durable, so it can actually hope to survive a turn against an opponent with up to 5 creatures, which comes in handy if you have lots of Rebirth guys (or just cards with extremely high delay), but it is overall worse than the Three Pigs because the Pigs are just spawned brand new instead of attempting to Tank, while the Bear will accumulate stat afflictions and ATK drops. The Rage decrease also comes at a bad time (except in the Guild Map)
The Dragon and the Flesh puppet are relatively fragile in comparison to the other two, but the Dragon will make your opponent suffer quite a bit before going down and the Burns caused by different dragons accumulate, so any card that managed to heal fast enough to survive the burnings of the first dragon, will be slowly dying with the second.
The Flesh Puppet I think is the worst, overall. Since, the Attack boost is worthless when it so often never gets to attack (because it gets killed, paralyzed or frozen) and because most top decks usually try to keep their graveyards empty with Rebirths and Recyclers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 0:38:41 GMT
the 3rd skill of the grizzly was nerfed. Was it so OP? The reduced alp damage by 50% and retreats became reduce basic and mgic damage 50. Pffftt
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Apr 21, 2015 3:11:36 GMT
Spikey bits.
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