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Post by sexmachinepipi on Jan 19, 2016 6:15:32 GMT
Someone please tell Jonathan, I am not interested in his open letter. THANKS! I didn't bother reading it, since he comes across as someone who works for IGG. I have seen his previous comments on this thread. They put me off. He doesn't respect the view of others.
Moving along; AbSoul... It's not about finding a way to deliver 1mil damage. It's about accepting nonsensical IGG updates and adapting like we are glad they did so. Giving them more power to dictate us, like we are slaves. It has to stop. It has to start with this update. If people roll over and play dead, IGG will live on and continue to rip off many.
This is not just about a game. It's about how people live outside of the net. IGG is testing that too. See how people will handle our crap. Will they put their foot down or accept it, like they do not have a choice? Which they have. That choice being: reasoning or quitting. If their numbers dwindle, they will reconsider and revert back to the previous update *Guild Maps wise
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as for me. I will continue playing but not paying. Let them get ripped by providing service for us without getting paid.
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Post by Jonathan on Jan 19, 2016 8:33:12 GMT
Someone please tell Jonathan, I am not interested in his open letter. THANKS! I didn't bother reading it, since he comes across as someone who works for IGG. I have seen his previous comments on this thread. They put me off. He doesn't respect the view of others. Moving along; AbSoul... It's not about finding a way to deliver 1mil damage. It's about accepting nonsensical IGG updates and adapting like we are glad they did so. Giving them more power to dictate us, like we are slaves. It has to stop. It has to start with this update. If people roll over and play dead, IGG will live on and continue to rip off many. This is not just about a game. It's about how people live outside of the net. IGG is testing that too. See how people will handle our crap. Will they put their foot down or accept it, like they do not have a choice? Which they have. That choice being: reasoning or quitting. If their numbers dwindle, they will reconsider and revert back to the previous update *Guild Maps wise How come you are not interested when a person is drawing your attention that you are going beyond a specific line (politeness line). So this is your impression that by asking people to moderate their attitude on a public forum it means i am on the devil side. This is what you think about me that i work for igg? So how come this forum is not accepted by them as a game forum, if i do work for them? I am doing what a moderator should do, be impartial. You are injurious to others i am moderating you. You speak trash talk and are toxic, i am moderating you. By choosing my words properly, doesn't make me an igg employer or, whatever is going thru your brain. I am doing my "job". You want to create posies to go ahead an cut igg's head you do that and also others who want to do it with you can do it. But non-the-less don't think that people who don't want to join your posy are either slaves of the game or working for igg. They don't see this instigating attitude of yours beneficial. My two cents..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 8:48:38 GMT
Dear Absoul. Can you post other decks what can do more than one million damages the most of guild maps. Thank you I'm not Absoul but this may help you - 1. Blademaster 2. Captivator 3. Zora 4. Judgment with War Hungry, Berserk and BB8 bullseyes. 5. Berserker/Paw master spiky bits
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Post by sylava1 on Jan 19, 2016 9:16:47 GMT
To be honest it is good they did something. I always did gm on auto with 9 out of 10 over 1M damage. I used a very simple cheap wight deck. 5 melded and 5 unmelded cards
So now I have to think a little again and not use auto. Maybe we will finally have some more open maps.
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Oh yeah nerfing oceanus was also about time. Hopefully I can finally try blademaster, judgement or even overlord for a main deck.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jan 19, 2016 9:19:15 GMT
Hi guys i edited the new meta deck. please check it out and tell me what you think.
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Post by sexmachinepipi on Jan 19, 2016 9:22:42 GMT
Jonathan... You barking the wrong tree. Slave mentality is just that. Nothing impolite or malicious about it. It's a metaphor. "You think like" or "behave like" *like is an operative word. It draws comparison. If you were on the side of those who are not happy, you should help them strengthen their fight against the dictatorship of IGG and it's inconsiderate behavior.
Telling people to quit or toe the line doesn't help the cause of solve the problem. If your two cent is to demoralize and question people's protest; then please keep it for beggars. In solidarity we need support to march forth and get this update overturned. If we fail, we will leave the game and let you enjoy it. However; while we still have a fight in us, we will take it to IGG. "It can't be done, until it's done"! So, let us mobilize those who care to listen and are ready to act against this madness leveled against us.
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Thank you Anarchy. What creatures you play in a Berserker deck? Meld or unmeld.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jan 19, 2016 9:30:38 GMT
Jonathan... You barking the wrong tree. Slave mentality is just that. Nothing impolite or malicious about it. It's a metaphor. "You think like" or "behave like" *like is an operative word. It draws comparison. If you were on the side of those who are not happy, you should help them strengthen their fight against the dictatorship of IGG and it's inconsiderate behavior. Telling people to quit or toe the line doesn't help the cause of solve the problem. If your two cent is to demoralize and question people's protest; then please keep it for beggars. In solidarity we need support to march forth and get this update overturned. If we fail, we will leave the game and let you enjoy it. However; while we still have a fight in us, we will take it to IGG. "It can't be done, until it's done"! So, let us mobilize those who care to listen and are ready to act against this madness leveled against us. The TW server did that already, they didn't budge. We have to adapt to it now. I am one of those who really got pissed with the update but hey, it enlightened me about the crap company igg is. what jonathan was saying is that, your tone, and your recipient of "slave" are your readers. He's just moderatin.
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Post by sexmachinepipi on Jan 19, 2016 9:42:36 GMT
Jonathan... You barking the wrong tree. Slave mentality is just that. Nothing impolite or malicious about it. It's a metaphor. "You think like" or "behave like" *like is an operative word. It draws comparison. If you were on the side of those who are not happy, you should help them strengthen their fight against the dictatorship of IGG and it's inconsiderate behavior. Telling people to quit or toe the line doesn't help the cause of solve the problem. If your two cent is to demoralize and question people's protest; then please keep it for beggars. In solidarity we need support to march forth and get this update overturned. If we fail, we will leave the game and let you enjoy it. However; while we still have a fight in us, we will take it to IGG. "It can't be done, until it's done"! So, let us mobilize those who care to listen and are ready to act against this madness leveled against us. The TW server did that already, they didn't budge. We have to adapt to it now. I am one of those who really got pissed with the update but hey, it enlightened me about the crap company igg is. what jonathan was saying is that, your tone, and your recipient of "slave" are your readers. He's just moderatin. If it barks like a dog, looks like a dog... Is it a dog or a dog? Ha ha ha ha
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Post by Jonathan on Jan 19, 2016 10:31:35 GMT
The TW server did that already, they didn't budge. We have to adapt to it now. I am one of those who really got pissed with the update but hey, it enlightened me about the crap company igg is. what jonathan was saying is that, your tone, and your recipient of "slave" are your readers. He's just moderatin. If it barks like a dog, looks like a dog... Is it a dog or a dog? Ha ha ha ha This is actually pretty cute. Here is another saying "When you piss against the wind what happens?!". Exactly my friend, you get yourself wet. I was a pleasure banning you just because you understood nothing and insulted also. Good bye, mate and do yourself a favor and quit the game also. OFF TOPIC: I don't have a thing against anybody doing mutiny against igg. Do it if it makes you happy. But on this forum please keep the decency to speak polite to/about other members and forum staff. And that is it.
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Post by ihelios on Jan 19, 2016 10:47:45 GMT
Jonathan... You barking the wrong tree. Slave mentality is just that. Nothing impolite or malicious about it. It's a metaphor. "You think like" or "behave like" *like is an operative word. It draws comparison. If you were on the side of those who are not happy, you should help them strengthen their fight against the dictatorship of IGG and it's inconsiderate behavior. Telling people to quit or toe the line doesn't help the cause of solve the problem. If your two cent is to demoralize and question people's protest; then please keep it for beggars. In solidarity we need support to march forth and get this update overturned. If we fail, we will leave the game and let you enjoy it. However; while we still have a fight in us, we will take it to IGG. "It can't be done, until it's done"! So, let us mobilize those who care to listen and are ready to act against this madness leveled against us. Sorry but it's too late to complain and write massive critics against IGG. About the time of the 1 Year anniversary they were like: "So we established our game on the market and have a big player base. Let's see how much we can screw them until we can see a significant drop of our income". And when they get complaining posts: "Oh we got some angry posts but the majority still spends and we have even more income, let's continue making radical decisions. " Atm it semms that you can only reach IGG through not paying or playing. They will ignore angry posts and answer via copy & paste. I don't say that IGG only has done bad things these last months but well you can see their actual course...
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jan 19, 2016 10:55:38 GMT
Need to have a coordinated massive rating drop maybe they will listen...so if 1 million of us change to 1 star in Google play ratings... That way they would take noticed...so do your part
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Post by joysticktns on Jan 19, 2016 11:08:17 GMT
Jonathan... You barking the wrong tree. Slave mentality is just that. Nothing impolite or malicious about it. It's a metaphor. "You think like" or "behave like" *like is an operative word. It draws comparison. If you were on the side of those who are not happy, you should help them strengthen their fight against the dictatorship of IGG and it's inconsiderate behavior. Telling people to quit or toe the line doesn't help the cause of solve the problem. If your two cent is to demoralize and question people's protest; then please keep it for beggars. In solidarity we need support to march forth and get this update overturned. If we fail, we will leave the game and let you enjoy it. However; while we still have a fight in us, we will take it to IGG. "It can't be done, until it's done"! So, let us mobilize those who care to listen and are ready to act against this madness leveled against us. Sorry but it's too late to complain and write massive critics against IGG. About the time of the 1 Year anniversary they were like: "So we established our game on the market and have a big player base. Let's see how much we can screw them until we can see a significant drop of our income". And when they get complaining posts: "Oh we got some angry posts but the majority still spends and we have even more income, let's continue making radical decisions. " Atm it semms that you can only reach IGG through not paying or playing. They will ignore angry posts and answer via copy & paste. I don't say that IGG only has done bad things these last months but well you can see their actual course... Totally agree. They see only numbers and %. If after this update these numbers decrease, maybe they will think different about next updates. Reviews are already set. 50 gems for 5* is a wall. Edit: + many players left and their 5* rating will remain forever there.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jan 19, 2016 12:02:41 GMT
We can always edit the rating that we gave but will it affect overall rating still ??
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Post by joysticktns on Jan 19, 2016 12:07:10 GMT
Chances for Google refund?
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jan 19, 2016 12:20:51 GMT
Chances for Google refund? I can't refund what I never pay...
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Post by joysticktns on Jan 19, 2016 12:36:44 GMT
Chances for Google refund? I can't refund what I never pay... No, I'm talking in general(for those who spent). Can we take a refund from Google in this case?
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jan 19, 2016 12:40:01 GMT
I can't refund what I never pay... No, I'm talking in general(for those who spent). Can we take a refund from Google in this case? nope, it's in-game purchase and not a google purchase so no...
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jan 19, 2016 12:41:34 GMT
lol. Every time a nerf goes around it has so many supporters, at the rate IGG is going I think I'm gonna level my Stormkallar, because at the rate people are supporting and even calling for more nerfs, she'll soon be better than the 4 and 5* heroes. I keep all my hero's.... got a lvl 2 StormKaller LOL!!!
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Post by thelawstudent on Jan 19, 2016 12:44:16 GMT
Hello guys! Long time lurker, first time poster. Well, a few months, really.
Here's the deal:
Whether or not you want to quit or ask for a refund is your prerogative. However, if you do feel treated poorly by the company, In my opinion you should ask for a refund. I've read from players that you should ignore IGG and go straight for google refund and make up some donuts to get money back. Well, don't. You're just appearing less credible.
Why would you want a refund? Well, if you spent money and time for oceanus, and then saw the mine ore collection rate getting nerfed hard (up to 50% less from shards) you can argue that you spent a long time on something that no longer works. Furthermore, the change to mines means you have to spend an even longer time to upgrade oceanus to make him approximately as "good" as he used to be. So in general it is very falsely advertised. A clear breach of contract, if you will.
Masking it with a balance-change attitude, and stating that "LOOK! AT LVL 5+ HE IS DECENT!" is all fine and dandy. But you'll need another 2 months (if you do 200 energy 1st mine, 1st chest on 2nd and 3rd mine whenever you have gems) to get oceanus to lvl 5. So him being tuned a bit is okay, but the nerf to ore collection and the literal need to now HAVE to level him up, means he's nothing as he was advertised. Tooltip and information about him is still wrong actually, despite the nerf. That's a outright scamming.
Anyway. Contact IGG via the chat option, ask for a ORE refund (i'm a reasonable man, i give them a chance. Also i'm covering my arse as a law student should). If they refuse, ask for a cash reimbursement from them. When they refuse, mention google refund. They will then tell you taht you shouldn't go to google for a refund because you'll experience "Inconsistencies with your game account", and also ask if you would like to correspond with their higher ups via mail. Say yes to that and give them your mail address. A day later you will recieve a mail stating that Oceanus needed balance, and that he also now has immunity! (Note, they didn't state a rank 1 immunity, and then ranking once per level, making it useless until lvl 6+ for the sake of consistency during battles).
So, in short, they tried to trick you into believing what they did was correct. At this point you have them stating they don't want to reimburse you, so you can just go ahead and call google reund for free in your country. Tell them they advertised a product you spent money and MONTHS getting. Then just to see it completely changed. Tell them you asked the company itself to give you back the ore so you can choose a different hero, and when told no, that you asked for money back, upon which they also refused.
At this point you'll be asked what purchases you made related to it (the operator will check your payment history) and you can then say that all the payments went to that, and you'll get your money back.
Case closed; IGG loses money.
And a note to all of you defending the oceanus nerf:
Was A NERF needed to oceanus? Yes. But that's also where most of your logic fails, because you connect the "was it needed?"-answer with the rest of the problems around it.
Was the nerf needed? Yes. Was the nerf itself too much? Actually, yes it was. Especially when you consider he's about useless until you level him up. But since they also reduced the ore collection rate in mines, it means they not only nerfed oceanus DIRECTLY, but also INDIRECTLY in terms of how much time and potentially money you have to spend to get the same product.
So the issue isn't whether or not Oceanus needed a nerf, but how it was handled. IGG fucked up huge from a contract-law-standpoint. Stop making excuses for the poor practices of IGG.
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Post by Mandragora on Jan 19, 2016 12:47:26 GMT
Oceanus is by no means useless until you level him up. No way.
And im not defending IGG here, im just debating the arguments on the table. About being a law student you shouldnt overlook the terms of service, the game data is their property, including your account.
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Post by thelawstudent on Jan 19, 2016 12:48:19 GMT
I have him, and compared to what he was before the nerf, yes, yes he is.
You can argue semantics all day long; Fact is that the immunity addition has no reald world-effect to speak of until it is higher level (rank 1 means 1 out of 10 times, your card will die hundred times over and that immunity stack won't change anything).
Since the copy of enemy cards is random it also means that copying a card and making a WEAKER version of it, in effect makes that card easy to handle. In which case a 4-star summon hero is a much better choice than oceanus ever will be.
I don't really mind you disagreeing, as it doesn't matter to the point. Months and money spent on something others hugely benefited from up until now, only to see collection rates and skills being nerfed is not how you conduct business.
If you are taking money for a service, you can't go around giving people less than what they paid for later. Then you actually have to reimburse them. That's how the world actually works.
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Post by Mandragora on Jan 19, 2016 12:53:57 GMT
See my 2nd statement on the previous post.
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Post by thelawstudent on Jan 19, 2016 12:57:47 GMT
There are ethical and moral conduct rules in play. Your statement about them being allowed to do whatever they want with their property is true, but only if there is an equivalent compensation if they choose to reduce the value of something they've sold and advertised for more. I don't expect you to know this, but now you do.
There is no such thing as an absolute rule, because an absolute rule (Such as IGG being allowed to do whatever they want) means all the power goes to the entity who is the beneficiary of said absolute rule. So please don't be so naive to think that IGG actually can get away with nonsense like this. No companies in the world can, neither can IGG. It is only if people (like you, it seems) allow them to, that they can.
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Post by Mandragora on Jan 19, 2016 13:06:27 GMT
And if you truly want the game to die just quit playing it. As I said before, ive been playing flash games since 2007 (yeah Im a masochist).
Ive seen countless riots like this before, campaigns to make people refrain to spend, hatemails to the company, people making an army of alts so they need to spend more on storaged data and even people doing real life comitees to travel to the game publisher. Nothing works if you keep spending your time on it.
If you stop spending theres another dozen guys that are willing to do it as long as there people on the game to interact with. And whales always need punchbags, thats the whole concept of a freemium game.
If you are truly outraged by the game quit right now, its the best thing you can do to harm the company. Theres another million games out there that might be a lot more entertaining for you, give your time (the most valuable asset on games like this) to some other company.
And forget about the time spent. I have an ex-wife and I didnt die because of it. Move on.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jan 19, 2016 13:10:08 GMT
So the issue isn't whether or not Oceanus needed a nerf, but how it was handled. IGG fucked up huge from a contract-law-standpoint. Stop making excuses for the poor practices of IGG. Just tried your advice in chat.... no go on any front for me. They will not refund ore cos its been used, will not refund gems cos in small print once you use them they dont refund, and saying about Google refund did not cause a reaction.... worth a try though
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Post by Mandragora on Jan 19, 2016 13:17:16 GMT
There are ethical and moral conduct rules in play. Your statement about them being allowed to do whatever they want with their property is true, but only if there is an equivalent compensation if they choose to reduce the value of something they've sold and advertised for more. I don't expect you to know this, but now you do. There is no such thing as an absolute rule, because an absolute rule (Such as IGG being allowed to do whatever they want) means all the power goes to the entity who is the beneficiary of said absolute rule. So please don't be so naive to think that IGG actually can get away with nonsense like this. No companies in the world can, neither can IGG. It is only if people (like you, it seems) allow them to, that they can. Moral and ethical values means nothing when it comes to a contract, sorry. They dont need to compensate you, its on the TOS that they can do whatever they want. If tomorrow they paint Oceanus in pink and swap his skill with Chaos Witch you need to deal with it. You agreed with the TOS. This is fundamental on any multiplayer game. Dont call me naive, Im not underestimating your debate skills so dont do it with me. Also Its not relevant for your argument if you are a law student, its a fallacy (argument from authority) and you dont know my academic background.
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Post by thelawstudent on Jan 19, 2016 13:21:55 GMT
Lampround:
It was a way of going about it if you wanted to contact google refund. As in: Ask IGG nicely, WHEN (not if, WHEN) they say no, have them escalate you to a higher up-person closer to devs and theyll contact you via mail. When you then get their mail, you will have the proof that you need to present Google if needed, when you contact google for the refund. IGG wil absolutely not give you anything, all you are talking with IGG for, is to get the evidence that they are unwilling to compensate for your google-refund-call.
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