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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 27, 2016 7:18:32 GMT
Hi guys,
I am trying to find the carrier of my only revive so far, and in fact, I don't think I have much clue yet. I am F2P, lv76, probably low achievements in every aspect of this game: tourney 7000, trial 95, map 13.11, guild dmg 500k, no rare or zodiac cards, no 5* melds, no 5* crits from guild map 4-6 (except KQ & Phantom Liege), no 5* heroes. The only "easy" part for me is gauntlet, probably 5 min everyday, 1 deck auto till the end.
But I still want to plan ahead. Even sounds not very realistic, I nevertheless surveyed the tourney top decks as they are the only good decks known to me so far. It seems like mimir tree & fafnir are the top 2 options, among all those accessible to me. Only speaking of statistics, mimir tree is slightly more common than fafnir.
So, greatly appreciate if you all experienced players can share your ideas of:
0. how would you comment on mimir tree vs fafnir (block vs dodge) in general 1. what would you choose, and why (I know it probably depends on the deck build, but hear your considerations might help me learn something, I hope) 2. any other choices (I've seen quite a few MD, but grinding 6 MD is a daunting idea)
Thanks a lot.
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Post by ℜ★Grogulus on Nov 27, 2016 8:14:43 GMT
If you run Faen heroes, Mimir's Tree is a must. The 20 cost offers more flexibility to Fafnir's 22 as well.
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Post by Yuna on Nov 27, 2016 13:41:21 GMT
This depends on many factors: * Do you wish to rely on Dodging or Basic Attack damage reduction? The 2 creatures rely on different ways to avoid damage. * Fafnir costs more than Mimir's Tree and deck cost will always be an issue. * Mimir's Tree can be used to activate Lightfoot for Faen heroes, Fafnir cannot be. * Fafnir is slightly squishier than Mimir's tree, with slightly less health (not that big of an issue). * Fafnir's Dodge can be upgraded to make him much better. No matter how much you upgrade Mimir's Tree, it won't be much different from its natural state.
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Post by soussie on Nov 27, 2016 15:41:39 GMT
I was interested in the battleblow (mimir) vs (sweeping blow) or is that not important at all?
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Post by chyj4747 on Nov 27, 2016 15:50:10 GMT
I was interested in the battleblow (mimir) vs (sweeping blow) or is that not important at all? For revive carrier, not that important. If you have Sigurd in your deck, Sweeping Blow is a little better.
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Post by ℜ★God on Nov 27, 2016 16:27:59 GMT
Back when I used to play, my Fafnir's Dodge never wanted to work. If you're like me, go Revive Mimir's.
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Post by Yuna on Nov 27, 2016 18:39:03 GMT
I was interested in the battleblow (mimir) vs (sweeping blow) or is that not important at all? It's pretty meaningless when speaking of Revive carriers. The point of a Revive carrier is to be as hard as possible to kill.
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Post by hetmasteen on Nov 27, 2016 21:20:18 GMT
I was interested in the battleblow (mimir) vs (sweeping blow) or is that not important at all? It's pretty meaningless when speaking of Revive carriers. The point of a Revive carrier is to be as hard as possible to kill. So for you, who is the best revive carrier overall in the game? You have revive on every relevant revive carrier, so I figure you would know the most about this. Does Plague Doctor take the top spot?
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Post by Yuna on Nov 27, 2016 21:21:47 GMT
It's pretty meaningless when speaking of Revive carriers. The point of a Revive carrier is to be as hard as possible to kill. So for you, who is the best revive carrier overall in the game? You have revive on every relevant revive carrier, so I figure you would know the most about this. Does Plague Doctor take the top spot? Yeah, I'd say Plague Doctor takes the best spot, but only if Plunder Vitality is upgraded several levels. Vanilla melded with Revive, Octavius takes the top spot for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 22:13:48 GMT
I would have somehow expected Kumiho in the top list as well. Great against disposal, revive with Kitsune and high rebirth. Isn't that a great skill set for revive?
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Post by asgarth1980 on Nov 27, 2016 22:38:28 GMT
I would have somehow expected Kumiho in the top list as well. Great against disposal, revive with Kitsune and high rebirth. Isn't that a great skill set for revive? kumiho is too squishy for a one revive... if u have 2 revive per deck.. the two sisters are good as they are the only pair that can revive each other and the rest... but for solo revive kumiho alone is a one/2 hit so it can't survive too many turns...
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Post by Yuna on Nov 27, 2016 23:28:16 GMT
I would have somehow expected Kumiho in the top list as well. Great against disposal, revive with Kitsune and high rebirth. Isn't that a great skill set for revive? Thing is, Plague Doctor has Immunity 8, upgraderable to Immunity 10, which protects against all of those things as well. And Octavius has natural immunity to Disposal, Instakill and Retreat. Kumiho is squishy. Very, very squishy. Her HP at lvl 15 is 1590. 1590! She also lacks a way to heal herself. Octavius heals himself for 2000 HP every other turn while Plague Doctor potentially heals himself every single turn. Kumiho isn't bad, but I would not place her in my Top 5 of revivers. Especially since she needs her sister on the board to make her good. Having a high Rebirth is good and all, but it's not of much help if the enemy has Torment up. Being squishy means you can easily die and if Torment is active, you ain't coming back on your own. Meanwhile, Plague Doctor and Octavius are tanks. The thing about Plague Doctor and Octavius is that they also inflict massive damage on the enemy. And these skills are used before Revive is used. So you could potentially kill off the enemy's Tormenter using either Vitality Plunder or Hollow and then immediately Revive 1 creature. Plague Doctor and Octavius also cost a lot of deck cost when evolved (24 and 32 respectively), which makes the chances of them being cloned by Unholy Rites greater. Kumiho at her measly 22, while cheap to field, makes her unlikely to ever be cloned.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Nov 28, 2016 0:48:26 GMT
I would have somehow expected Kumiho in the top list as well. Great against disposal, revive with Kitsune and high rebirth. Isn't that a great skill set for revive? Thing is, Plague Doctor has Immunity 8, upgraderable to Immunity 10, which protects against all of those things as well. And Octavius has natural immunity to Disposal, Instakill and Retreat. Kumiho is squishy. Very, very squishy. Her HP at lvl 15 is 1590. 1590! She also lacks a way to heal herself. Octavius heals himself for 2000 HP every other turn while Plague Doctor potentially heals himself every single turn. Kumiho isn't bad, but I would not place her in my Top 5 of revivers. Especially since she needs her sister on the board to make her good. Having a high Rebirth is good and all, but it's not of much help if the enemy has Torment up. Being squishy means you can easily die and if Torment is active, you ain't coming back on your own. Meanwhile, Plague Doctor and Octavius are tanks. The thing about Plague Doctor and Octavius is that they also inflict massive damage on the enemy. And these skills are used before Revive is used. So you could potentially kill off the enemy's Tormenter using either Vitality Plunder or Hollow and then immediately Revive 1 creature. Plague Doctor and Octavius also cost a lot of deck cost when evolved (24 and 32 respectively), which makes the chances of them being cloned by Unholy Rites greater. Kumiho at her measly 22, while cheap to field, makes her unlikely to ever be cloned. just to add other reasons why octavius is better revive carrier.. is the fact it cannot be cloned...it cannot be dominated,
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Post by Yuna on Nov 28, 2016 0:59:18 GMT
Thing is, Plague Doctor has Immunity 8, upgraderable to Immunity 10, which protects against all of those things as well. And Octavius has natural immunity to Disposal, Instakill and Retreat. Kumiho is squishy. Very, very squishy. Her HP at lvl 15 is 1590. 1590! She also lacks a way to heal herself. Octavius heals himself for 2000 HP every other turn while Plague Doctor potentially heals himself every single turn. Kumiho isn't bad, but I would not place her in my Top 5 of revivers. Especially since she needs her sister on the board to make her good. Having a high Rebirth is good and all, but it's not of much help if the enemy has Torment up. Being squishy means you can easily die and if Torment is active, you ain't coming back on your own. Meanwhile, Plague Doctor and Octavius are tanks. The thing about Plague Doctor and Octavius is that they also inflict massive damage on the enemy. And these skills are used before Revive is used. So you could potentially kill off the enemy's Tormenter using either Vitality Plunder or Hollow and then immediately Revive 1 creature. Plague Doctor and Octavius also cost a lot of deck cost when evolved (24 and 32 respectively), which makes the chances of them being cloned by Unholy Rites greater. Kumiho at her measly 22, while cheap to field, makes her unlikely to ever be cloned. just to add other reasons why octavius is better revive carrier.. is the fact it cannot be cloned...it cannot be dominated, That too, but that just makes him a very powerful creature overall. A cloned Plague Doctor is dangerous, Revive or no Revive, but a cloned revive!Kumiho? Not so much.
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Post by ℜ★God on Nov 28, 2016 1:13:18 GMT
Octavius op.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Nov 28, 2016 2:20:45 GMT
just to add other reasons why octavius is better revive carrier.. is the fact it cannot be cloned...it cannot be dominated, That too, but that just makes him a very powerful creature overall. A cloned Plague Doctor is dangerous, Revive or no Revive, but a cloned revive!Kumiho? Not so much. one more very important reason why revive or r2 Oct is power... VS hero cannot requiemed her as Oct auto dispel all negative status... in situation when ur revive, recycler are requiemed u are dead... oct only got hold one turn and his high hp... no big deal.
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Post by Yuna on Nov 28, 2016 3:45:50 GMT
That too, but that just makes him a very powerful creature overall. A cloned Plague Doctor is dangerous, Revive or no Revive, but a cloned revive!Kumiho? Not so much. one more very important reason why revive or r2 Oct is power... VS hero cannot requiemed her as Oct auto dispel all negative status... in situation when ur revive, recycler are requiemed u are dead... oct only got hold one turn and his high hp... no big deal. Yup. It's why Revive Octavius is so good. I don't care if he can't Revive himself. In most decks, revive!Octavius is among the very best Revivers you can have.
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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 28, 2016 6:01:41 GMT
If you run Faen heroes, Mimir's Tree is a must. The 20 cost offers more flexibility to Fafnir's 22 as well. Thanks a lot. As other mentioned also, cost is an issue which I never thought about. There are 5* heroes I am currently farming, captivator (32 shards) and VS (50k), both are neanders. Would mimir tree still be as good as fafnir in this case? Would you suggest me to get some diversity on my 5* heroes ( I would think these 2 would be all my 5* heroes, for a looong while).
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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 28, 2016 6:13:21 GMT
This depends on many factors: * Do you wish to rely on Dodging or Basic Attack damage reduction? The 2 creatures rely on different ways to avoid damage. * Fafnir costs more than Mimir's Tree and deck cost will always be an issue. * Mimir's Tree can be used to activate Lightfoot for Faen heroes, Fafnir cannot be. * Fafnir is slightly squishier than Mimir's tree, with slightly less health (not that big of an issue). * Fafnir's Dodge can be upgraded to make him much better. No matter how much you upgrade Mimir's Tree, it won't be much different from its natural state. Wow, lots of factors, I am not sure I can answer many of them, which is probably why I am lost in the first place. Let me try: * Dodge or block, I honestly don't know. I heard that people abuse bullseye in higher rank decks, then I'd assume block is better, dodge not to mention runes. * Yes, this is the simpliest, as pointed out by ℜ★Grogulus* I won't even think about druidess. Then, any rest 5* faen heroes worth the priority (as my first 5* heroes), compare w/ captivator & VS which I am currently farming * I don't know how squishy is truly squishy, so I'll just take it as both are similar. * I haven't done any skill upgrade yet, but my HB doesn't seem that agile as advertised.... So in order to make fafnir "much better", which level should the dodge be upgraded to? About those above factors, can you please help provide your opinions, if you try put yourself into my (a normal, low-luck, low level F2P player) shoes? Very much appreciated.
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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 28, 2016 6:16:27 GMT
Back when I used to play, my Fafnir's Dodge never wanted to work. If you're like me, go Revive Mimir's. Thanks for the info, good to know. My HB is never as agile as advertised, but I always see fafnir dodge like w/ level 15. I never associate all these w/ the intended internal hacking by IGG (however I actually agree this is reasonable).
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Post by Yuna on Nov 28, 2016 10:07:12 GMT
This depends on many factors: * Do you wish to rely on Dodging or Basic Attack damage reduction? The 2 creatures rely on different ways to avoid damage. * Fafnir costs more than Mimir's Tree and deck cost will always be an issue. * Mimir's Tree can be used to activate Lightfoot for Faen heroes, Fafnir cannot be. * Fafnir is slightly squishier than Mimir's tree, with slightly less health (not that big of an issue). * Fafnir's Dodge can be upgraded to make him much better. No matter how much you upgrade Mimir's Tree, it won't be much different from its natural state. Wow, lots of factors, I am not sure I can answer many of them, which is probably why I am lost in the first place. Let me try: * Dodge or block, I honestly don't know. I heard that people abuse bullseye in higher rank decks, then I'd assume block is better, dodge not to mention runes. * Yes, this is the simpliest, as pointed out by ℜ★Grogulus * I won't even think about druidess. Then, any rest 5* faen heroes worth the priority (as my first 5* heroes), compare w/ captivator & VS which I am currently farming * I don't know how squishy is truly squishy, so I'll just take it as both are similar. * I haven't done any skill upgrade yet, but my HB doesn't seem that agile as advertised.... So in order to make fafnir "much better", which level should the dodge be upgraded to? About those above factors, can you please help provide your opinions, if you try put yourself into my (a normal, low-luck, low level F2P player) shoes? Very much appreciated. I'd say go for Dodge 8 at least. As a F2P, go for whichever is the easiest to get ahold of extra copies for.
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Post by ℜ★Grogulus on Nov 28, 2016 19:36:09 GMT
If you run Faen heroes, Mimir's Tree is a must. The 20 cost offers more flexibility to Fafnir's 22 as well. Thanks a lot. As other mentioned also, cost is an issue which I never thought about. There are 5* heroes I am currently farming, captivator (32 shards) and VS (50k), both are neanders. Would mimir tree still be as good as fafnir in this case? Would you suggest me to get some diversity on my 5* heroes ( I would think these 2 would be all my 5* heroes, for a looong while). If you can manage to upgrade Fafnir's Dodge skill, then it is a better overall card, imo. Tree can play well with other heroes, too. It's versatile. When Battleblow engages, it brings concentrated offense.
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Post by RH*EvildreamS on Nov 28, 2016 19:46:21 GMT
We have yuna cards now ps : dont kill the fun part of the game and groculus or whatever. Whaling is not the key to win Reslect grim kaiba god verdrand but you both sorry nah
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Post by RH*EvildreamS on Nov 28, 2016 19:49:24 GMT
Everyone can whale im not jaelous f*** not. But lot of high players wanna quite because of the fun u r killing it f*** Wtf Strategy and game is open Sexy monkeylord. And and i respect them but whaling like that Nah no comment
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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 28, 2016 20:15:29 GMT
I'd say go for Dodge 8 at least. As a F2P, go for whichever is the easiest to get ahold of extra copies for. Are you suggesting that there are more ppl going after mimir tree, or simply because fafnir is one map ahead?
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Post by BK✦Singing on Nov 28, 2016 20:28:45 GMT
Everyone can whale im not jaelous Elephant not. But lot of high players wanna quite because of the fun u r killing it Elephant Wtf Strategy and game is open Sexy monkeylord. And and i respect them but whaling like that Nah no comment Hey bro, is it a poem? Sorry I am not a native English speaker, struggling to get your point...
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Post by TheDoctor✪NFS on Nov 29, 2016 16:21:27 GMT
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