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Post by Interrupted on Apr 11, 2017 23:29:20 GMT
Sorry for this but for some reason I simply hate MD. His introduction to the game has imho been one of the biggest failures in an attept to balance the game out of OP magic. Completely disabling whole concept of a game is really not well thought of. Hence so many failed concepts and useless rares. In the abscence of MD Pisces would be valuable card. Same goes for Gemini etc... So many 'failed concepts'. Now power creep comes from direct unblocable damage. Exception being only GD I think. I hate Drones. Back to the subject. While looking who is using Sylvan (if any) of the top players I saw another interesting revive: Aquarius. Whomever had a luxury to do this hats down
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 11, 2017 23:35:51 GMT
I respect your opinion but I feel that tossing i10 pulls for a revive meld that isn't any better than md a waste. Even more so if you use meld cards. Yeah I had 2 human meld cards from the past but tbh meld (sac on cancer) suceeded with the second one... Just contemplating revive... I also got 3 Vindicators from Bonds so there you go another i10 source. I believe you'd want i10 on a revive. That one has to stay on board longer... And when introduced meld cards were common in ultimas. I was surprised to see 2... Maybe I'm biased against Drones. I'd slap in the face anyone who designed it...
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 11, 2017 23:50:37 GMT
I respect your opinion but I feel that tossing i10 pulls for a revive meld that isn't any better than md a waste. Even more so if you use meld cards. Yes you are completely right. Now there are much more powerfull humans to carry i10. I wasted mine looong ago Now I'd meld revive to Spider Queen or Cancer anytime... Unfortunatelly my Spider Queens ended up on I9 Oracle, super dupper i9 Phantom Liege, even i9 Gorgon. Now skill is transferable but creature is not anymore. And you can easily have Abbadon instead. C'est la vie... Edit: Are seals the only SQ source?
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Post by asgarth1980 on Apr 12, 2017 0:32:26 GMT
Why no one mentioned artoila... she is unkillable litterally ... only weakness is being retreated but nothing is perfect...
The game has introduce some hard to kill cards... GD, nerferiou and Artoila... ( in the order to easier to kill)... dark reversal is freaking crazy... 10hp is like a normal 50k hp
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 12, 2017 1:33:03 GMT
Why no one mentioned artoila... she is unkillable litterally ... only weakness is being retreated but nothing is perfect... The game has introduce some hard to kill cards... GD, nerferiou and Artoila... ( in the order to easier to kill)... dark reversal is freaking crazy... 10hp is like a normal 50k hp All above cards can be killed by Requiem. I killed Artolia with FB10 Kitsune. I believe FB rune effect finished her off. Might be a bug not sorted out yet... Anyhow she died quickly... And seriosly? Such an expensive card... Let's talk revive Diablo or Ra Edit: ONLY Octavius can break free!
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Post by asgarth1980 on Apr 12, 2017 1:54:03 GMT
Why no one mentioned artoila... she is unkillable litterally ... only weakness is being retreated but nothing is perfect... The game has introduce some hard to kill cards... GD, nerferiou and Artoila... ( in the order to easier to kill)... dark reversal is freaking crazy... 10hp is like a normal 50k hp All above cards can be killed by Requiem. I killed Artolia with FB10 Kitsune. I believe FB rune effect finished her off. Might be a bug not sorted out yet... Anyhow she died quickly... And seriosly? Such an expensive card... Let's talk revive Diablo or Ra Edit: ONLY Octavius can break free! by right artoila cant be killled... have not seen her in action but description say so... maybe a bug yet to be resolved... anyway in my encounters... the worst to die is really nerferious... litterally unkillable.. if only torment can be melded on her..GD dies fairly harder than oct but it can be killed.
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 12, 2017 1:57:53 GMT
I told this to everyone in the very beginning and everybody tried to stone me to death. Pisces - even though has the right skill - work in theory but she didn't mean to be a revive or recycle carrier. What she needs is a defense skill against physical damage to stay on the field longer. Because that is what she was meant to be. Staying on the field protecting your card against magic damage. Melding revive on her is just wasting time and material Well, people can be stupid. Sorry to say this but you especially. Calling people stupid makes you look insanely stupid. You know what I realized. You don't even listen to the people. You act like all knowing omnipotent DH God. You think others are stupid making you kind of a narcisist. You read last 2 comments and without thinking start your DH science preaching. Why the hell people tolerate this? Because you are top player? Well I learned nothing from you. It's actually the oposite. I learned from other top players lot more. From people able to think down to earth, with warm and welcoming attitude. People who would never call someone or someone's opinion stupid. From people without 'tunnel vision'. You don't even understand the logic of this combo and yet you call it stupid. I wish you very best in overcoming these traits honestly.
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 12, 2017 2:10:41 GMT
All above cards can be killed by Requiem. I killed Artolia with FB10 Kitsune. I believe FB rune effect finished her off. Might be a bug not sorted out yet... Anyhow she died quickly... And seriosly? Such an expensive card... Let's talk revive Diablo or Ra Edit: ONLY Octavius can break free! by right artoila cant be killled... have not seen her in action but description say so... maybe a bug yet to be resolved... anyway in my encounters... the worst to die is really nerferious... litterally unkillable.. if only torment can be melded on her..GD dies fairly harder than oct but it can be killed. Cure for Neferious is Requiem. Not only she'll die but will help you win. I suspect Artolia is a bug but FB rune anihilated her while she was melting from Kitsune bleed. I'm sure that will be sorted out. And about IGG description. Seems like you have 2 Artolias you can never lose (only by hero kill). They need stoneskin or imm10 though. I dunno how far are you on map 16 but you'll see them all with maxed skills and runes. The most annoying and deadly creature is Immunity 10 Hanzo with Dodge 15, timer of 2 and concealed strike rune... Not revive carrier though
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Apr 12, 2017 3:04:45 GMT
How about virgo as revive carrier
Not perfect but once she hits the field takes ages to kill.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Apr 12, 2017 3:50:30 GMT
by right artoila cant be killled... have not seen her in action but description say so... maybe a bug yet to be resolved... anyway in my encounters... the worst to die is really nerferious... litterally unkillable.. if only torment can be melded on her..GD dies fairly harder than oct but it can be killed. Cure for Neferious is Requiem. Not only she'll die but will help you win. I suspect Artolia is a bug but FB rune anihilated her while she was melting from Kitsune bleed. I'm sure that will be sorted out. And about IGG description. Seems like you have 2 Artolias you can never lose (only by hero kill). They need stoneskin or imm10 though. I dunno how far are you on map 16 but you'll see them all with maxed skills and runes. The most annoying and deadly creature is Immunity 10 Hanzo with Dodge 15, timer of 2 and concealed strike rune... Not revive carrier though neferious also cannot be killed by vs.. can be lockdown but not killed... u should serious try killing her with a level 1 immunity rune...unkillable..... well ofcourse hanzo is a pain but it is killable. Map 16 got my gems for it.. just to lazy to unlock slyvan
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 4:44:59 GMT
There's honestly nothing wrong with a revive cancer. Shes a pretty strong defensive card, think mimirs tree with better block AND immunity. She's not commonly found these days as there's newer and shinier rares to go after.
My cancer has Sac8, and that once was cool, now is passe. Hindsight I'd have done revive instead.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 4:49:25 GMT
How about virgo as revive carrier Not perfect but once she hits the field takes ages to kill. Virgo is cool, BUT, she is vulnerable to a lot of skills BEFORE Virgil dies. Once she gets ethereal form, she is a beast!
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 4:53:22 GMT
I respect your opinion but I feel that tossing i10 pulls for a revive meld that isn't any better than md a waste. Even more so if you use meld cards. Yes you are completely right. Now there are much more powerfull humans to carry i10. I wasted mine looong ago Now I'd meld revive to Spider Queen or Cancer anytime... Unfortunatelly my Spider Queens ended up on I9 Oracle, super dupper i9 Phantom Liege, even i9 Gorgon. Now skill is transferable but creature is not anymore. And you can easily have Abbadon instead. C'est la vie... Edit: Are seals the only SQ source? Sadly yes, bro. SQ is seals only. In one of the earlier Sky Arenas, they prized out a spider queen in rank 101-133 once. Even a venom tyrant one as well. I wish theyd do that again. I had to burn ALL four of my spare SQ's to get revive done. I was hoping to at least have one left...
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 4:57:29 GMT
Sorry for this but for some reason I simply hate MD. His introduction to the game has imho been one of the biggest failures in an attept to balance the game out of OP magic. Completely disabling whole concept of a game is really not well thought of. Hence so many failed concepts and useless rares. In the abscence of MD Pisces would be valuable card. Same goes for Gemini etc... So many 'failed concepts'. Now power creep comes from direct unblocable damage. Exception being only GD I think. I hate Drones. Back to the subject. While looking who is using Sylvan (if any) of the top players I saw another interesting revive: Aquarius. Whomever had a luxury to do this hats down Aquarius revive is an interesting one. It guarantees casting it twice plus any FB hits she manages. But the downside, though, is since she'd have to be lv15 to have a meld skill, she would stay in hibernation likely one turn more, possibly two. And while hibernating, no revive casting...
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 12, 2017 4:57:49 GMT
There's honestly nothing wrong with a revive cancer. Shes a pretty strong defensive card, think mimirs tree with better block AND immunity. She's not commonly found these days as there's newer and shinier rares to go after. My cancer has Sac8, and that once was cool, now is pa**e. Hindsight I'd have done revive instead. I never said revive cancer was specifically bad. The context was comparing cancer to md. I myself think his secondary defensive skill of a self heal makes up for a lesser immunity. I also see the merit in not having immunity 10 with all of these vs running around. Rather than wait for him to die and get recycled a qt may just retreat him which she could never do to a cancer. In addition to the self heal, I listed md under a f2p list of revive targets as he is farmable and cancer is not. This being why I took it upon myself to vocalize my opinion. Is cancer a bad revive card? No. Is she worth that much more in resources to have as opposed a md? Not really imo. Vindicater is better than her for that role because Vaccuum bomb does more dmg than her skill without sac and even then it's pretty close to the same.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 12, 2017 5:00:48 GMT
Sorry for this but for some reason I simply hate MD. His introduction to the game has imho been one of the biggest failures in an attept to balance the game out of OP magic. Completely disabling whole concept of a game is really not well thought of. Hence so many failed concepts and useless rares. In the abscence of MD Pisces would be valuable card. Same goes for Gemini etc... So many 'failed concepts'. Now power creep comes from direct unblocable damage. Exception being only GD I think. I hate Drones. Back to the subject. While looking who is using Sylvan (if any) of the top players I saw another interesting revive: Aquarius. Whomever had a luxury to do this hats down Aquarius revive is an interesting one. It guarantees casting it twice plus any FB hits she manages. But the downside, though, is since she'd have to be lv15 to have a meld skill, she would stay in hibernation likely one turn more, possibly two. And while hibernating, no revive casting... aqua should not be revive. Only recycle. You want her to be revived so her skill can go off in rapid succession. This can be accomplished with rec but not rev.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 5:04:44 GMT
There's honestly nothing wrong with a revive cancer. Shes a pretty strong defensive card, think mimirs tree with better block AND immunity. She's not commonly found these days as there's newer and shinier rares to go after. My cancer has Sac8, and that once was cool, now is pa**e. Hindsight I'd have done revive instead. I never said revive cancer was specifically bad. The context was comparing cancer to md. I myself think his secondary defensive skill of a self heal makes up for a lesser immunity. I also see the merit in not having immunity 10 with all of these vs running around. Rather than wait for him to die and get recycled a qt may just retreat him which she could never do to a cancer. In addition to the self heal, I listed md under a f2p list of revive targets as he is farmable and cancer is not. This being why I took it upon myself to vocalize my opinion. Is cancer a bad revive card? No. Is she worth that much more in resources to have as opposed a md? Not really imo. Vindicater is better than her for that role because Vaccuum bomb does more dmg than her skill without sac and even then it's pretty close to the same. Yeah, sorry bro, I really wasn't poo poo'ing on you there, your thoughts are right on the money too. Despite my complete hate for drones, I totally feel it is one of the BEST f2p revive cards. Better than fafnir I feel with a 4 timer.
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 12, 2017 5:05:38 GMT
Aquarius revive is an interesting one. It guarantees casting it twice plus any FB hits she manages. But the downside, though, is since she'd have to be lv15 to have a meld skill, she would stay in hibernation likely one turn more, possibly two. And while hibernating, no revive casting... aqua should not be revive. Only recycle. You want her to be revived so her skill can go off in rapid succession. This can be accomplished with rec but not rev. Ooh, that's a really good thought too.
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Post by monkeylord on Apr 12, 2017 6:39:23 GMT
Dr. is very nice, but has problems vs. druidess in that, if it is ripped, it cannot heal itself, unlike say a soul shrew. Soul shrew is something I haven't seen yet, but it would probably a pretty good revive carrier as well. .. how can ss be better that doctor.. against druidess.. both when hitting a warded card will have same chance to be ripped... given ss lower hp and can only get hp from 3 attk unlike doctor all cards... i dun see what u are seeing... further more..ss can't go past Fa like attacking dragonlord , he will get low hp regen but doctor get more return hp with an already enlarge hp base because of sac I'm not saying revive ss is better than dr. I am saying that, even if ripped, a soul shrew will still heal itself, while a dr. will not. ex. I hit 3 creatures with ss. 2 of the creatures are warded. Ward triggers twice and rips SS. Damage from the third hit will still heal the SS for the full amount, even though ss is ripped. dr. in the same set of conditions will not heal itself. I think dr. is much better vs. warbringer though. SS could be better than dr. but I've never seen one so I couldn't really say one way or the other. The 25 cost on SS is a bonus if you are using rites, as there are many good guys at the 24 spot such as taurus and capricorn to sacrifice and then immediately revive. For Dr. the optimal "curve" of the deck puts most cards at 23 cost or below. Basically, you don't want to be sacrificing your revives to clone your other guys; that can wreck you. You want the setup to be: sacrifice your other guys to clone your revive, then bring back your sacrificed guys with the revive. In this case, the ideal result is a bunch of cloned reviving shrews, which would be tough to stop, especially if you also run taurus to help take out the fa and rampart dudes.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 12, 2017 12:14:53 GMT
Well, people can be stupid. Sorry to say this but you especially. Calling people stupid makes you look insanely stupid. You know what I realized. You don't even listen to the people. You act like all knowing omnipotent DH God. You think others are stupid making you kind of a narcisist. You read last 2 comments and without thinking start your DH science preaching. Why the hell people tolerate this? Because you are top player? Well I learned nothing from you. It's actually the oposite. I learned from other top players lot more. From people able to think down to earth, with warm and welcoming attitude. People who would never call someone or someone's opinion stupid. From people without 'tunnel vision'. You don't even understand the logic of this combo and yet you call it stupid. I wish you very best in overcoming these traits honestly. Did you, you know, read the posts you ostensibly replied to? Or did you see the word "stupid" and think it was a good opportunity to s*** on me? WanderDeer: "I told this to everyone in the very beginning and everybody tried to stone me to death." Me: "Well, people can be stupid." I was talking strictly about the people who tried to metaphorically stone WanderDeer to death for stating facts. I did not even name any names or point any fingers. But do you not agree that trying to metaphorically stone someone to death for stating an opinion or interpretation, be it right or wrong is stupid and doubly so if what they're saying is actually the truth? The very things you accuse me of are the very things the people who metaphorically tried to stone WanderDeer to death over stating facts are guilty of. Why are you taking so much offense to this statement of mine? Were you one of the people who tried to metaphorically stone WanderDeer to death for stating his opinion? What are you even talking about? The combo of what? Revive Pisces? I understand it very well. I just think it's way too weak for what it costs (since she's a premium-only creature and isn't even available in boosters, Lost Relics or other events that repeat but specific to very specific events that all cost money). Also, isn't it strange how in your post criticizing me for allegedly calling people names you did almost nothing but calling me names? So. Weird.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 12, 2017 12:21:33 GMT
All above cards can be killed by Requiem. I killed Artolia with FB10 Kitsune. I believe FB rune effect finished her off. Might be a bug not sorted out yet... Anyhow she died quickly... And seriosly? Such an expensive card... Let's talk revive Diablo or Ra Edit: ONLY Octavius can break free! by right artoila cant be killled... have not seen her in action but description say so... maybe a bug yet to be resolved... anyway in my encounters... the worst to die is really nerferious... litterally unkillable.. if only torment can be melded on her..GD dies fairly harder than oct but it can be killed. Frost Blade Rune isn't damage, though, it's HP reduction. She can't be killed by damage (Basic, Magic, Direct) if there are other creatures on the field, but she can be killed by other means, such as, say, Instakill, Disposal and HP reduction. It's like how Storm Ward's description reads "When activated it casts Ward on your first [x] Creatures, allowing them to negate the majority of damage taken" and does, indeed, reduce damage taken to 1, but does not protect against HP reduction skills, such as Frost Blade Rune and Kitsune's Bleed. Warbringer's Hero Skill Crimson Tide will activate Storm Ward, but the status effect it leaves behind, Rupture, will not. It makes sense. Making Artoalia completely inkillable would make her too powerful and is in line with all other creatures we'd had insofar that have some kind of damage reduction skill. Frost Blade Rune will, for example, also bypass Granite Dragon's Crystal Ward.
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Post by Interrupted on Apr 12, 2017 13:32:30 GMT
Sorry to say this but you especially. Calling people stupid makes you look insanely stupid. You know what I realized. You don't even listen to the people. You act like all knowing omnipotent DH God. You think others are stupid making you kind of a narcisist. You read last 2 comments and without thinking start your DH science preaching. Why the hell people tolerate this? Because you are top player? Well I learned nothing from you. It's actually the oposite. I learned from other top players lot more. From people able to think down to earth, with warm and welcoming attitude. People who would never call someone or someone's opinion stupid. From people without 'tunnel vision'. You don't even understand the logic of this combo and yet you call it stupid. I wish you very best in overcoming these traits honestly. Did you, you know, read the posts you ostensibly replied to? Or did you see the word "stupid" and think it was a good opportunity to s*** on me? WanderDeer: "I told this to everyone in the very beginning and everybody tried to stone me to death." Me: "Well, people can be stupid." I was talking strictly about the people who tried to metaphorically stone WanderDeer to death for stating facts. I did not even name any names or point any fingers. But do you not agree that trying to metaphorically stone someone to death for stating an opinion or interpretation, be it right or wrong is stupid and doubly so if what they're saying is actually the truth? The very things you accuse me of are the very things the people who metaphorically tried to stone WanderDeer to death over stating facts are guilty of. Why are you taking so much offense to this statement of mine? Were you one of the people who tried to metaphorically stone WanderDeer to death for stating his opinion? What are you even talking about? The combo of what? Revive Pisces? I understand it very well. I just think it's way too weak for what it costs (since she's a premium-only creature and isn't even available in boosters, Lost Relics or other events that repeat but specific to very specific events that all cost money). Also, isn't it strange how in your post criticizing me for allegedly calling people names you did almost nothing but calling me names? So. Weird. Not wierd at all Yuna. What you are doing now is changing the context. - Pisces/Rites combo discussed - You reply with arguments - WanderDeer uses 'stoned to death' to this particular reason agreeing with you - You reply with your usuall 'stupid' comment. For me context is clear and I would not have reacted if this was my first enconter with you. Calling you names? And you speak in general what? Every now and then you come up with stating something stupid. This forum is full of statements of yours and dismissing discussions or idea as 'stupid'... And again you call yourself civil. I get your point that you reacted to I believe overstatement of stoning someone to the death even methaphorically. Okay,if that is what you reacted to I trully appologize...
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Apr 12, 2017 13:59:19 GMT
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Apr 12, 2017 14:30:32 GMT
Revive Thisbe and Pyramus! =P
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Post by Yuna on Apr 12, 2017 19:43:35 GMT
Revive Thisbe and Pyramus! =P Good in theory, so-so in practice. (I only have one with Revive, the other has Injured) I think Monkeylord has Revive on both (that or Grim did) but he quickly stopped using them. After all, for them to become powerful, they need to both he played at the same time to create a Lover's Bond and them one of them has to die to give the other Stoneskin. So they're kind of like Virgo, only weaker. Not a terrible choice (notoriously hard to kill, after all), but not that good, especially considering they're extremely rare premium creatures and super-expensive deck cost-wise.
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It'd be nice if people discussed what the thread is about instead of attacking each other. Don't think it's that hard to have a civil conversation.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 13, 2017 14:33:18 GMT
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Apr 13, 2017 17:33:08 GMT
I have seen revive Neamazon in my arena
By the way. As the fortress raid is here (and I am in) I was thinking to get the 4* omni skill essences so I can make my horned beast an ultimate revive or recycle carrier.
In this way I think some 4* creature also would become a good carrier
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