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Post by Spiderboy on Apr 15, 2015 14:47:21 GMT
I only have 1 gorgon from 1st 5 alter draw and 1 thalassa from unsealing. At lvl 42 struggling , thinking of getting second thalassa from unsealing. But with such high requirement , I am afraid of leveling too fast from exploring for the required creature shards!
Should I go for it?
Also blow all my money on boosters and got no 5 stars . Feeling discouraged. What is the probability of getting 5 star from boosters? So far I bought around a total of 7 to 8 boosters . Thinking of switching to Ultima.
What is better , Ultima or booster?
Also, should I stop leveling in order to complete gauntlet and farm 5star creatures? Or forget about it and just progress naturally?
These has been on my mind for a while now. Really not knowing what to do as I made a second account recently but have the same situation. please any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by paulus on Apr 15, 2015 15:32:17 GMT
The big experience gainer is mazes IMO. So if you avoid finishing too many mazes, you shouldn't increase your level too fast. That being said, you're right, trying to unseal a second Thalassa takes a lot of exploration and it will raise your level a bit. I don't think at your level it should be an issue though.
As for best bang for your buck, everyone has different thoughts, but the consensus seems to be that ultimate chests provide for a possibility of rolling a 5* and a guarantee to get one every 8 tries. There is no other aspect of the game that guarantees you that except for your first roll. I would stick to that until you can get a few decent 5*. If you want to keep gambling, go for the human booster packs or whatever provides you the best possible synergy with your existing deck and hero.
On the gauntlet, they changed the way it works and it really is a matter of time before you complete it. It really is worth it to do so focus on finishing it early to get the 500 gems. It gets hugely harder the higher your levels....LOL I am L71 and face 2 and sometimes 3 recycle creatures along with 4 minimum disposal cards....and normally wight with high level cripple and undying....I have auto completed a couple runs and have used 3-4 full decks with levelled 4* heros and all 4-5* L10 cards, I lose and when I check the opponents deck, sometimes not a single card was destroyed and his hero is at full health LOL It is a tad difficult....Eventually I get lucky.
Good luck!
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Apr 15, 2015 15:50:18 GMT
You should always go immediately for 2nd thalassa. Gorgon is the best draw possible from the 1st alter so you are already in good shape. Ultima chests have by far the best odds for 5* (since it's guaranteed 1/10). Estimated odds for other avenues (wheel, alter, boosters) is 2%ish. Granted, with boosters, you get some nice class 4*s which you can meld into creatures better than many 5*s (see swordmaster with battleblow or bloodlust; or harbringer with instakill). Basically you should look at it like this: You will never be receiving any 5*s (or will at a very slow rate). Knowing this, ask yourself how do you proceed? Hint: work towards guaranteed things such as melding recycle onto horned beasts, etc etc. Also make sure you are working towards 4* heroes in the appropriate malls.
I guarantee you can have an amazing deck with only 1 or 2 5*.
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Post by jhafaadai on Apr 16, 2015 16:17:01 GMT
You should always go immediately for 2nd thalassa. Gorgon is the best draw possible from the 1st alter so you are already in good shape. Ultima chests have by far the best odds for 5* (since it's guaranteed 1/10). Estimated odds for other avenues (wheel, alter, boosters) is 2%ish. Granted, with boosters, you get some nice class 4*s which you can meld into creatures better than many 5*s (see swordmaster with battleblow or bloodlust; or harbringer with instakill). Basically you should look at it like this: You will never be receiving any 5*s (or will at a very slow rate). Knowing this, ask yourself how do you proceed? Hint: work towards guaranteed things such as melding recycle onto horned beasts, etc etc. Also make sure you are working towards 4* heroes in the appropriate malls. I guarantee you can have an amazing deck with only 1 or 2 5*. Totally agree with the 2nd thalassa. When you have 2 recycle cards, you can play your hands more aggressively.
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Post by andypk on Apr 16, 2015 16:21:05 GMT
I only have 1 gorgon from 1st 5 alter draw and 1 thalassa from unsealing. At lvl 42 struggling , thinking of getting second thalassa from unsealing. But with such high requirement , I am afraid of leveling too fast from exploring for the required creature shards!
Should I go for it?
Also blow all my money on boosters and got no 5 stars . Feeling discouraged. What is the probability of getting 5 star from boosters? So far I bought around a total of 7 to 8 boosters . Thinking of switching to Ultima.
What is better , Ultima or booster?
Also, should I stop leveling in order to complete gauntlet and farm 5star creatures? Or forget about it and just progress naturally?
These has been on my mind for a while now. Really not knowing what to do as I made a second account recently but have the same situation. please any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Personally, I don't get people's fear of leveling. You can no longer count gauntlet against leveling, so it is just trial rankings left. That's it. everything else is positive about going up levels. Just go man!
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Post by Spiderboy on Apr 19, 2015 0:50:05 GMT
Thanks for all the replay. I get it now. But I do have one more question. As for Ultima treasure, is there an event for ultima,s drop boost, that I should wait for? Currently I have money and the golden treasure box.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Apr 19, 2015 1:16:41 GMT
There are events where you get 1 5* hero shard every couple ultima chests but nothing really worth waiting for in my opinion.
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Post by PandaSage♪ on Apr 20, 2015 4:13:24 GMT
Thanks for all the replay. I get it now. But I do have one more question. As for Ultima treasure, is there an event for ultima,s drop boost, that I should wait for? Currently I have money and the golden treasure box. During the Ultima Chest event , it says in the notice board that rewards from the chest are boosted; i opened just 1 chest that day and got Bloodletter, my first maze 5* . Id suggest that you keep playing mazes without opening Ultimas until that event and collect as much Guaranteed dice rols as you can; after that, on the event day do those mazes twice if possible ( refresh the maze w gems if you have to). May take a while, but if Odds scale towards you, you should go for it.
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Post by Hitmus2✪NFS(xerks) on Apr 20, 2015 6:40:20 GMT
Thanks for all the replay. I get it now. But I do have one more question. As for Ultima treasure, is there an event for ultima,s drop boost, that I should wait for? Currently I have money and the golden treasure box. During the Ultima Chest event , it says in the notice board that rewards from the chest are boosted; i opened just 1 chest that day and got Bloodletter, my first maze 5* . Id suggest that you keep playing mazes without opening Ultimas until that event and collect as much Guaranteed dice rols as you can; after that, on the event day do those mazes twice if possible ( refresh the maze w gems if you have to). May take a while, but if Odds scale towards you, you should go for it. In my opinion, The Ultima Chest will give you average 2 5stars in 10 purchases. Its a good bargain, and as to ScalingOdds says, it might me more during boosted events.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:32 GMT
I have got 3 x 5* from Ultima chests, 2 of those were just from opening an Ultima and the other from the guaranteed 10th chest. With booster packs it seems to be 1 x 5* from 16000 gems for me on average which is nowhere near as good as Ultima chests.
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Apr 20, 2015 13:00:58 GMT
Just in case you didn't get the message you should go for ultima chests. Absolutely get another Thalassa. You can complete gauntlet much faster with a ton of 1* heroes. PM me if you want more info. As for 4* heroes I would focus solely on Wight and Berserker, but others may have different opinions. Getting spikey bits 8+ as soon as possible should be a goal. Farm Oracles and possibly Horned Beast. I'm not a huge fan of recycle on Horned Beast but you can always move it later.
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Post by Spiderboy on Apr 20, 2015 14:04:34 GMT
Wow,thanks guys for such helpful responses. one thing though.... As now I am not planning on spending more money on my two accounts, what is the source of getting more gems, after the expiration of my star status?? How can I get thousands and thousands of free gems? Can I really be a top player with f2p???
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Apr 20, 2015 15:13:08 GMT
Wow,thanks guys for such helpful responses. one thing though.... As now I am not planning on spending more money on my two accounts, what is the source of getting more gems, after the expiration of my star status?? How can I get thousands and thousands of free gems? Can I really be a top player with f2p??? You can absolutely be a top player, but it is significantly harder. You get your daily reward gems, raid gems, and completing level gems. Thousands and thousands? Once you get high up in arena you're done with getting thousands and thousands.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Apr 20, 2015 16:11:50 GMT
It depends how you define top player IMO. If you think that means top30 in arena, yes...very attainable ftp. If top player is get through most of explorers gate, also attainable. If you talking top 100 players in the entire game? No...most certainly not attainable.
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Post by andypk on Apr 20, 2015 17:26:46 GMT
Agree for the most part. As f2p you can make #1 in the arena, make top 50 in the upper most group of trials, complete the explorer maps, be a force on the guild maps, make it into the top 100 in tournament, complete the gauntlet (now), clear all chambers, and be a top 25 individual contribution in guild wars. Just takes time, patience, knowledge and luck never hurts. You will never be able to go toe to toe with the top p2w folks though. You might beat them once, but you won't beat them most of the time.
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Post by R✰Slippo on Apr 20, 2015 18:01:56 GMT
It depends how you define top player IMO. If you think that means top30 in arena, yes...very attainable ftp. If top player is get through most of explorers gate, also attainable. If you talking top 100 players in the entire game? No...most certainly not attainable. Naruto is F2P and is ranked in the 30s for the tourney. I'd consider the Tourney as a decent ranking of where you are in the game so I'd say in rare cases it is obtainable, but don't hold your breath too long. Tourney hasn't finished settling out so outside the top 25ish(all WK or pretty high spenders) you can give or take 10-20 points but rankings have solidified quite a bit and new spenders will take months to climb from 20,000 starting ranking. Andypk hits on most everything. If you have the time, use the resources and player knowledge from these forums, and don't rage quit after a month or two of no 5* creatures.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Apr 20, 2015 18:42:13 GMT
Naruto isn't human though.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Apr 21, 2015 5:57:16 GMT
Naruto got incredibly lucky. He got 2 great mystics or something along with a bunch of other great cards. That is an outlier as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Apr 21, 2015 8:09:00 GMT
Doesn't seem that hard if you focus human boosters. He had 0 mystics by level 65 and 2 by level 80. Going by the numbers some of the higher guilds have posted on here and plugging them into a binomial calculator it should take about 40k gems spent on human boosters for a 50% chance at 2 mystics. Sounds reasonable by level 80 if you rank high in arena and keep picking up those 600+ gem rewards. Being able to clear level 90 in trials probably helps too.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Apr 21, 2015 13:56:20 GMT
Sorry but evidence just doesn't support this. Go look at the human booster thread and look at how many packs were opened without getting a mystic. This isn't even including the person who spent 24k gems and got 1 crappy 5*. Again...you are the exception to the rule and it's not accurate to say otherwise. As for 40k gems. I don't know a single ftp person who has made that many just by playing the game. You MAYBE could get up to about 30k but I'd say even that's a stretch for most players.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Apr 21, 2015 21:56:38 GMT
I've made over 20k through arena and trials and I'm only level 54. I understand it drops off but there are far better players than me. I was only going off the numbers VM or whatever guild posted to get the 50% chance for 2 mystics by 40k gems spent number. The problem with threads and not guild wide objective analysis is selection bias and exaggeration in threads. Anyway I know Naruto has spent over 40k gems and still has 10k lying around.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Apr 22, 2015 15:00:16 GMT
except that VM is a completely different population than the general population. They have plenty of player who spend thousands of dollars on this game. Their numbers might be their numbers but I'd like to see their sample size to really determine if the stats are valid. If there's a thread on that, it could definitely be interesting to see. Then again, I know with my luck, I have to take whatever % they get and subtract about 30 from it
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