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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 13:07:48 GMT
Sacrifice 8 is a great skill, one of the best in the game. A real game-changer in the right hands. The problem is, they're highly limited- most players will get 2, 3 at the max. So where to put them? I've already got a sac8 Graboid which I'm super happy with, but I'm struggling to decide between Twins and Anathema. For kicks though, I decided to go through every candidate I could to make sure I'm not missing anything. To figure it out, I simply added every creature with a skill that stacks well with sac8- sweeping blow, bullseye, twin terror. Battleblow actually doesn't stack that well since it buffs attack to a ridiculous amount, which is going to be overkill against 80% of creatures. A guaranteed massive hit on 3 creatures or an unblockable hit is going to be preferable. So here is the list of all 4* and 5* I know of with one of those skills: Phantom Liege Swordmaster Fafnir Cyclops Techno-Chief Ash Beast Graboid Paladin Pit Dragon Anathema Valkyrie Demonic Templar Angel Prime The Twins So the first thing I did was discard the login cards, since melding them is currently impossible. Next was figuring out which ones stack best skill-wise, so the rebirth creatures (Templar/Pit Dragon) were discarded, since BB8 would suit their skillset better. Paladin has good base stats, but realistically not enough survivability and no immunity/stoneskin, so he's out. Techno-Chief has the same problems as Paladin, coupled with average base stats. Angel Prime is too situational, so he's out. That leaves us with: Phantom Liege Swordmaster Fafnir Ash Beast Graboid Anathema The Twins Now out of these, Fafnir is actually a devastating idea- but he makes such a great revive carrier, it still seems like wasted potential. Other creatures could benefit just as much or more from sac8- but few creatures carry revive as well as Fafnir. Out. Ash Beast is a definite candidate. Unbound coupled with sweeping blow and decent enough base stats is a possibility, but lack of stoneskin/immunity hurts, as well as an ineffective healing method. Swordmaster is an interesting choice. Although the base stats are low, with runes you can now buff his atk easily over 600, giving a solid buff from sac8. And his survivability, already great, becomes insane. He is still vulnerable to instakill/retreat, but with a good recycler he'll be back on the field in no time and those skills generally aren't that common. Phantom Liege with sac8 is a really interesting possibility. His lifesap would keep him alive indefinitely unless tagged by FA, as well as continuing to buff his atk. Seals gives him a great setup attack. Real possibility, but again- no immunity/stoneskin. Lastly, Sea Wizard has a lot of potential. Tempest+frost blade will make him very tough to hit, and he would wreck stuff with 1500+atk. However, this would be a tough meld to get enough copies. That leaves us with just Anathema, Graboid and Twins- what I would consider the premier sac8 melds unless I'm missing something. But assuming you have only 2 VTs, which one would you meld? I really can't pick between Anathema and Twins- on one hand, Anathema devastates any creature regardless of what you do, as well as a strong gas cloud- on the other, Twins have the ability to hit for double their attack as well as hit for huge amounts on defense as well. Completely torn!!! I wouldn't trade my sac8 Graboid for anything still, so I need to pick one of these guys
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Post by ScreaminBon on Jul 23, 2015 16:32:32 GMT
Sac Anathema without question. Twins is good, and really good with sac, but the possibility of being able to one-shot nearly anything outside of Snow Harlot is just too good to pass up. Of course, farming for twins would be a lot easier, but if you're in a good guild like I am where you can farm map 1-3 5* creatures, the long term investment of a beast like Sac Anathema is way worth it, IMO.
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 17:29:42 GMT
I agree with everything that you've said OP.
In general, any 5 star with sac 8 is just scary. However, i would totally go with Anathema if you could do that. I have 2 Anathema's and a Venom Tyrant in my deck, which does ridiculous gas cloud direct damage. So i have experience with the card. With everyone melding FA to cards Anathema becomes more and more important to have. And let's not forget, pair Anathema with a bullseye rune and you are doing around 1.2k without sac already. It's just an amazing card to have and i've seen some toplevel players meld sac8 on him as well.
I can't really say anything about the twins because i've never seen a sac8 twin in action, i'd love to see a video of it though. If anyone has a link, share it!
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 19:15:46 GMT
I'm going to vote with everyone else and say Anathema > Twins. The only trouble with this is that it is so much easier to obtain 5 copies of twins. I currently have 4 copies of Anathema. One is level 15 unmelded, 2 are level 10, and one is still level 0. My biggest drawback for melding him is that I regularly use the 2 level 10 Anathemas for Gauntlet and Guild Wars. They are quite simply the best card to counter the Horned Beast/Harbinger/Light Brave that everyone has these days. So my dilemma is deciding whether to keep 4 generally useful copies or sacrifice them all to create one super card. So far, I haven't decided yet!
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Jul 23, 2015 21:57:27 GMT
I'm going to vote with everyone else and say Anathema > Twins. The only trouble with this is that it is so much easier to obtain 5 copies of twins. I currently have 4 copies of Anathema. One is level 15 unmelded, 2 are level 10, and one is still level 0. My biggest drawback for melding him is that I regularly use the 2 level 10 Anathemas for Gauntlet and Guild Wars. They are quite simply the best card to counter the Horned Beast/Harbinger/Light Brave that everyone has these days. So my dilemma is deciding whether to keep 4 generally useful copies or sacrifice them all to create one super card. So far, I haven't decided yet! You can always try the Meld once since you always get that one Meld that doesn't matter if it's x2 Meld day or not. If you succeed, then you have all your leveled Anathemas + the Sacrifice 8 one. If you fail, you lose nothing but an unleveled Anathema.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 22:08:11 GMT
Dang, that is very tempting Diana. I guess 3 level 10 Anathemas aren't noticeably more valuable than 2 level 10 Anathemas lol.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 22:14:08 GMT
Holy s*&%^, that actually worked. Sacrifice 8 on Anathema with gems with 0% expertise. I would have bet you dinner that I was wasting 368 gems and a 5*!
Thanks for the suggestion Diana!
Now, dare I include two sacrifice creatures in my main deck? lol I guess my recycle 2 HB and recycle 1 Harbinger have more work to do.
Wow, that surprised me
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Post by daoze✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 22:20:30 GMT
Swordmaster is an interesting choice. Although the base stats are low, with runes you can now buff his atk easily over 600, giving a solid buff from sac8. And his survivability, already great, becomes insane. He is still vulnerable to instakill/retreat, but with a good recycler he'll be back on the field in no time and those skills generally aren't that common. i wouldn't consider putting sac8 on SM. his pros: 2 turn critter great survival if you put sac8, it will be con: you need wait another 2 turn for it in order to use sac8 if he is dead, it means i i have bulleye/lockdown/discord/spellers thats killed him. if you revive it, it comes our fast, but also kills your whole deck fast IMHO: if i see a sac8 SM, i am laughing actually because i will always have a FA paladin waiting for him in my deck. 3-4hit = dead. revive and kill his mob., my paladin still around, with boosted attack, 2-3 hits = bye sac8 SM is effective if you use him against non FA and non magic decks
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Post by daoze✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 22:22:53 GMT
Holy s*&%^, that actually worked. Sacrifice 8 on Anathema with gems with 0% expertise. I would have bet you dinner that I was wasting 368 gems and a 5*! Thanks for the suggestion Diana! Now, dare I include two sacrifice creatures in my main deck? lol I guess my recycle 2 HB and recycle 1 Harbinger have more work to do. Wow, that surprised me so you gotten your sac anathema? congrats!
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Jul 23, 2015 23:45:23 GMT
Holy s*&%^, that actually worked. Sacrifice 8 on Anathema with gems with 0% expertise. I would have bet you dinner that I was wasting 368 gems and a 5*! Thanks for the suggestion Diana! Now, dare I include two sacrifice creatures in my main deck? lol I guess my recycle 2 HB and recycle 1 Harbinger have more work to do. Wow, that surprised me That's insane! Congrats guildmate. Use it and tell OP how crazy good that meld is
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 24, 2015 0:08:24 GMT
Thanks all for the congrats. I was just too certain that it wouldn't work to try that earlier. I will use him for a while and then provide some summary report. Right now I'm kind of nervous having two sacrifice creatures in my main. I'm not a P2W so the odds of me drawing a Sacrifice rune are pretty small. I might have to invest some gems in rune draws instead of saving them all for Human boosters...
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Jul 24, 2015 1:01:27 GMT
Thanks all for the congrats. I was just too certain that it wouldn't work to try that earlier. I will use him for a while and then provide some summary report. Right now I'm kind of nervous having two sacrifice creatures in my main. I'm not a P2W so the odds of me drawing a Sacrifice rune are pretty small. I might have to invest some gems in rune draws instead of saving them all for Human boosters... First of all, congrats on the successful Meld. You always get that free shot, so take it first and you never know! The Sacrifice Rune is pretty common for a 5*, so keep drawing and you'll probably pull one by your 4th 5*
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Jul 24, 2015 7:48:21 GMT
Thanks all for the congrats. I was just too certain that it wouldn't work to try that earlier. I will use him for a while and then provide some summary report. Right now I'm kind of nervous having two sacrifice creatures in my main. I'm not a P2W so the odds of me drawing a Sacrifice rune are pretty small. I might have to invest some gems in rune draws instead of saving them all for Human boosters... that was really lucky, congrats ! OP, as everyone stated in this thread, because of the growing FA creature population (since it's the best "base" meld to do), i'd totally go with Anathema. Now, if your deck can already take care of FA, I'd go twins.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jul 24, 2015 10:07:19 GMT
Actually to me, FA isn't the big concern- because Twins and Anathema deal with FA similarly well. Dodge is actually where Anathema truly shines, and that's relatively common (Faen heros, Horned Beast, Light Brave, Harbinger, Fafnir etc). Twins work really well against FA and sweeping blow, since you get defense out of it.
I think overall I probably agree with the consensus of sac8 Anathema being more useful- Twins are just horrible to go against with plain FA, so overall it's probably a better meld.
Let us know how the lucky sac8 Anathema goes for sure, I'm interested to see how it plays out in decks! I can see it being devastating.
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Post by devindestroyer on Jul 27, 2015 14:11:41 GMT
I was just thinking about this situation, I don't have the dillema of having multiple anathemas, I was thinking a paladin with sac 8 would have similar effect with being able to one shot most critters just as an anathema would, minus the gas cloud of course. But I would prefer twins over paladin and anathema over twins. I have only one tyrant left and working on twins now
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Jul 28, 2015 3:44:22 GMT
Prime has 65% dodge which makes the HP boost 3x as effective if they can't deal with it. Instakill is becoming less common. Immunity is becoming more common. I haven't decided which is better yet but I think prime deserves to be in the conversation even if you simply ignore his 3rd skill.
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Post by Tahae T on Aug 1, 2015 23:13:47 GMT
Hi, just wondering how the sac 8 anathema worked out? I wasted all my graboids trying to get sac 8, now sitting at 100% next attempt, and farming. But wondering am i wasting my time and should have been going for sac 8 anathema? Whts pros/cons between the 2? Thx
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Post by Sytry [Exiled / SC] on Aug 2, 2015 1:33:13 GMT
Hi, just wondering how the sac 8 anathema worked out? I wasted all my graboids trying to get sac 8, now sitting at 100% next attempt, and farming. But wondering am i wasting my time and should have been going for sac 8 anathema? Whts pros/cons between the 2? Thx Sac 8 Anathema Pros: Stoneskin, Bullseye, Gas Cloud can damage Snow Harlot. Will annihilate anything directly in front of it except Snow Harlots. With Bullseye rune, will ensure 1-shot vs most FA creatures. Cons: Can be locked down, Relies on health to survive so easily killed by Warlust or Miasma creatures. Sac 8 Graboid Pros: Sweeping Blow becomes devastating, Stoneskin, vs Humans will be overkill, Perfect for killing unmelded Paragons Great Mystics etc, 6 Turn Timer allows absorption of Disposals and in auto-battles ensures it will have a Sacrificable target. Cons: Easily countered by FA and Dodge, Also relies on health to survive so easily killed by Warlust and Miasma creatures, Most Humans it needs to kill will have FA melded. Final Note: Having Nidhoggs would drastically boost any deck. This paired with Berserker would amount to nearly the same as Sac 8 in some situations. I still recommend Sac 8 Twins since the proc rate of its skills seems way higher than stated.
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Post by Tahae T on Aug 2, 2015 23:03:45 GMT
i am yet to obtain the twins card, guild mates are ninja looting bum holes, snd the exlpore hates me lol. I'll prob finish what i started and aim for 1 of ea but twins sac 8 is my next target.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 3, 2015 16:46:05 GMT
I think another crit To consider is Cancer. With 1500 atk, FA wouldn't matter when rancor procs on the enemy's turn. And for baddies without FA, they get one shot'd, and the next in line gets rancor'd. She would kill more than anathema, and live longer than graboid. Just a thought.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 3, 2015 16:58:25 GMT
I think another crit To consider is Cancer. With 1500 atk, FA wouldn't matter when rancor procs on the enemy's turn. And for baddies without FA, they get one shot'd, and the next in line gets rancor'd. She would kill more than anathema, and live longer than graboid. Just a thought. I know I said I wouldn't bother you with my replies again but I honestly can't help myself, sorry. Sac 8 Cancer would indeed be amazing, the problem is getting enough copies. Anathema, Twins & Graboid are all farmable, which is why they're popular targets for melding. For those that do get enough Cancer to meld it, more power to you - I'm extremely jealous! The other question is if Sac 8 is truly the best meld for such a powerful card - There are a lot of very good options for her.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 4, 2015 3:51:11 GMT
I think another crit To consider is Cancer. With 1500 atk, FA wouldn't matter when rancor procs on the enemy's turn. And for baddies without FA, they get one shot'd, and the next in line gets rancor'd. She would kill more than anathema, and live longer than graboid. Just a thought. I know I said I wouldn't bother you with my replies again but I honestly can't help myself, sorry. Sac 8 Cancer would indeed be amazing, the problem is getting enough copies. Anathema, Twins & Graboid are all farmable, which is why they're popular targets for melding. For those that do get enough Cancer to meld it, more power to you - I'm extremely jealous! The other question is if Sac 8 is truly the best meld for such a powerful card - There are a lot of very good options for her. The OP was debating the best place to put sac 8. He was comparing all creatures, including ridiculously hard to get 5* crits. Sorry, I don't belong to a guild that let's me freely 'farm' anathemas because as you imply they are so easy to get? "Sac8 is not the best meld for cancer", that is laughable.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 4, 2015 4:15:11 GMT
The OP was debating the best place to put sac 8. He was comparing all creatures, including ridiculously hard to get 5* crits. You're right this part, I should have read all the thread instead of just this page, my mistake. Going back reading the OP I'd expect Cancer to be discarded for the same reason as Fafnir though - She's arguably the best Revive carrier in game now. As for the rest - I never said any of that.
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Post by devindestroyer on Aug 4, 2015 13:22:50 GMT
Sagittarius along with his arrow split skill would be quite OP with sacrifice active Or Kitsune's skill if we are talking about rare 5* subjects.
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 6, 2015 16:12:23 GMT
Currently i'm thinking about melding a sac8 Twins. However, i have a question: Does twin terror proc if you fail to attack the enemy creature(dodge/ice coffin)?
Also, feel free to share your experience with sac8 Twins(if you have it).
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Aug 6, 2015 20:07:08 GMT
It won't proc if the attack fails. The counter attack is one of a couple skills that blocks bullseye. If titania hits 1 twin the others still have a chance to counter and take no damage.
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Post by scorpio55✪NFS on Aug 6, 2015 20:18:14 GMT
With the addition of meld cards people will be able to meld even super rare 5* cards with whatever they want. And we will all witness a broken game. Not sure though if 5* meld cards are out yet. I know for sure 4* ones are. I got a 4* morti meld card yesterday from ultimate chest. Immediatelly tried to put dispose on my dullahan using it. Another failure even though I used gems But at least I'm at 100% now.
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 6, 2015 20:20:52 GMT
Thanks, glad that is cleared up. The description makes you think otherwise. I'll go for it, defensive and offensive at the same time.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Aug 6, 2015 20:26:26 GMT
The OP was debating the best place to put sac 8. He was comparing all creatures, including ridiculously hard to get 5* crits. Sorry, I don't belong to a guild that let's me freely 'farm' anathemas because as you imply they are so easy to get? "Sac8 is not the best meld for cancer", that is laughable. A lot of guilds are able to farm a 5* per member faster than they can explore 4*s. At least the map 1-3 ones. In a few months I'm guessing most guilds will. I see cancer as an upgraded twins and do like melds like sac8 over revive to take advantage of the 3rd skill but it is entirely dependent on your lineup and there are other good options too. FA + block is always going to be strong until they fix stabthrough for example.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Aug 6, 2015 21:51:49 GMT
Gotta admit, I don't see the value in a revive Cancer. She does not have stoneskin, dodge, or frost armor natually which means she gets one hit by Graboid and taken out in 2 hits by many creatures. Granted her block skill helps with damage reduction, but she is still squishy. Frost armor would be a good meld for her and she doesn't even come close to Fafnir as a revive carrier. Will post in a couple of hours about Sac Graboid vs. Anathema as I have both Short answer, I like Graboid better but Anathema certainly is a great alternate.
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