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Post by monkeylord on Sept 21, 2015 5:15:17 GMT
By Royals I mean the guild that was by far the most organized and ready to use stab deck, and the guild that has benefitted most. Though godswill is more your thing, Xega. Raising hero hp is not a strong solution, as the the rune power scales with hero hp. A better approach would be to make the damage static rather than scaling.
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Post by ℜ★Xega on Sept 21, 2015 5:29:20 GMT
By Royals I mean the guild that was by far the most organized and ready to use stab deck, and the guild that has benefitted most. Though godswill is more your thing, Xega. Raising hero hp is not a strong solution, as the the rune power scales with hero hp. A better approach would be to make the damage static rather than scaling. Well that's why I said stab rune should be .3% per level instead of the current.5%... I think raising hero HP makes sense because godswill/curse decks can still be OP w/o stab imo. I only have 2 godswill runes, if had like 25+ godswill runes (as I'm sure some players who use gems for rune draws may have) I could just run 3 decks loaded w/melded puppets and be almost unbeatable.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 7:19:26 GMT
By Royals I mean the guild that was by far the most organized and ready to use stab deck, and the guild that has benefitted most. Though godswill is more your thing, Xega. Raising hero hp is not a strong solution, as the the rune power scales with hero hp. A better approach would be to make the damage static rather than scaling. Well that's why I said stab rune should be .3% per level instead of the current.5%... I think raising hero HP makes sense because godswill/curse decks can still be OP w/o stab imo. I only have 2 godswill runes, if had like 25+ godswill runes (as I'm sure some players who use gems for rune draws may have) I could just run 3 decks loaded w/melded puppets and be almost unbeatable. Godswill is a 4* rune, this is why I think moving stab to 4* rune can be a good alternative (with a lower droprate) as someone stated here. This way you will not be able to have a full stab deck, but 1 or 2 that can complete your deck.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Sept 21, 2015 7:19:46 GMT
Hero Dodge rune. Hero dodges stabthrough. IV star hero rune. Dodges 8% per level. 40% Dodge at lvl 5.
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Post by drakkan on Sept 21, 2015 7:43:06 GMT
I knew I should have stayed far away from this thread... drakkan "But why do I need to pay (and I mean real money pay) for others mistakes?" Because you are playing a game and choosed to spend money instead of playing for free to get an edge exploiting an overpowered mechanic that you allready understand that makes the game less viable For the game to be viable in the mid-long term, it's economy has to work...and also there need to be shifts in the meta so it doesn't become stagnant The meta can change through the introduction of new Heroes, Creatures, Runes and other features...but also in some cases through nerfs and rebalances (as with most other online games). I'm starting to think that if igg had just introduced a new Hero Rune making st much less viable as a strategy, there would be much less fuss about it Sorry, you have a point, and a good one, but there are also good points against your opinion For example: "I want igg to be able to introduce changes in the game to make it better and keep it viable, and if they need to consider all the effects of those changes and compensate for them it will be close to imposible" More: "If whenever the meta shifts igg compensates players for the loss of relative power of their decks, then new players will never be able to compete unless they spend much more money than the previous ones, and without new players the game will die in no time" @compensation and new players: New players need to catch up.. I am a new player, playing for 3 months only. And I'm trying hard to catch up. Now I need to be returned 1.5 months back, like behind players who started after me? Whats wrong if I get compensation for that drastic resources loss? Its not 1 creature that I got on lucky spin that is getting nerfed. You do know how many resources you need to level 10 creatures to lvl15... And I understand NOW that it is OP .. but now is too late.. and who could guarantee it will be getting nerfed.. they could have solved that by releasing some new creatures/heroes.. About compensation... I'm not speaking about getting Armageddon for compensation .. just way to resource to level some other creatures.. I wouldnt get any edge with that .. just return a bit below the point where I would have been if they didnt release stabthrough.. And from the "customer point of view" -> if I spend money on this game .. and they they cancel all that, why would I spend any more money? To buy something that they can cancel again? @point2: what about puppets .. they they should nerf puppets as well .. or is it ok as it requres godswill rune that not everyone will have enough of.. @point3: Imperial -> I didnt argue about OP or not .. yes I agree that the problem is that its to widespread and powerful .. I argued that you'r points of "you're already compensated by having map14 opened or so" are not valid imho .. and after all, you're not IGG to give me such answers.. thats customer support.
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 7:46:36 GMT
Or maybe hero rune that reflects damage. Works like reflect, decrease damage then reflects damage.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 8:02:45 GMT
Or maybe hero rune that reflects damage. Works like reflect, decrease damage then reflects damage. Very interesting. My main concern about this is how it'll affect direct dmg from skill (stab, curse, godswill) and not from creature ? BUT you got an idea here
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Post by FreePlayer on Sept 21, 2015 8:07:21 GMT
Most of P2P are complaining about stab. I know the reason.
Most of them using revive + disposal royal dragon (cat DECK). And they got beaten by some graboid stab.. Lmao..
Its not stab that is OP. but it is you guys, should start using ur TINY LITTLE BRAIN.
And let me tell you something, this always happens when you use money and no brain in game. You will always get beaten by smart f2p. So the point is, USE YOUR HEAD guys. Dont cry when you got beaten by stab. Instead of crying, counter stab deck wih strategy. Thats all
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Post by drakkan on Sept 21, 2015 8:08:12 GMT
Or maybe hero rune that reflects damage. Works like reflect, decrease damage then reflects damage. Very interesting. My main concern about this is how it'll affect direct dmg from skill (stab, curse, godswill) and not from creature ? BUT you got an idea here As I said, there are other ways to countering Stabthrough. And is great idea.. as it solves multiple purposes -> it protects big players from easy stabthr wins, where it still allows new players some push (in tournament medium ranks, gauntlen, etc.. ) * but they announced nerf in v7.5 that will come in max 10 days .. so I guess they already put that in test version ..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:17:09 GMT
I'm not in any big guild and I'm star membem. I play this game for nearly year now. Ppl who don't see that stab is broken is just silly and want to be the top without any work and time putting in this game. I was exploring maps for many 4* cards and I meld lots of them, also some 5* what I was lucky to get from coupons and guild maps. And now you want tell me all that work was for nothing becouse of stab deck what is possible to do with one month and without any skill. Silly and stupid. Use your brain instead that just using overpower deck. Spending lots of money on this game isn't good but saying "I'm f2p and I want everything" is even worse.
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 8:45:51 GMT
Most of P2P are complaining about stab. I know the reason. Most of them using revive + disposal royal dragon (cat DECK). And they got beaten by some graboid stab.. Lmao.. Its not stab that is OP. but it is you guys, should start using ur TINY LITTLE BRAIN. And let me tell you something, this always happens when you use money and no brain in game. You will always get beaten by smart f2p. So the point is, USE YOUR HEAD guys. Dont cry when you got beaten by stab. Instead of crying, counter stab deck wih strategy. Thats all Im pro stab deck, but pls lets keep the discussion civil. After all, if IGG decides to nerf or not to nerf, all the discussion here are useless. So please there is no problem if you want to voice out your opinion, but please stay civil. People on this forums have class. Thanks and have a good day.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 21, 2015 8:47:08 GMT
Most of P2P are complaining about stab. I know the reason. Most of them using revive + disposal royal dragon (cat DECK). And they got beaten by some graboid stab.. Lmao.. Its not stab that is OP. but it is you guys, should start using ur TINY LITTLE BRAIN. And let me tell you something, this always happens when you use money and no brain in game. You will always get beaten by smart f2p. So the point is, USE YOUR HEAD guys. Dont cry when you got beaten by stab. Instead of crying, counter stab deck wih strategy. Thats all Who cry since stab adjustment already been confirmed by IGG ?
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 9:02:17 GMT
Today I received next message about it from IGG. "this skill is overpowered and needs to be adjusted. It will happens next update"
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 9:29:06 GMT
I'm curious to see how they will "adjust" it ...
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Sept 21, 2015 9:29:37 GMT
Most of P2P are complaining about stab. I know the reason. Most of them using revive + disposal royal dragon (cat DECK). And they got beaten by some graboid stab.. Lmao.. Its not stab that is OP. but it is you guys, should start using ur TINY LITTLE BRAIN. And let me tell you something, this always happens when you use money and no brain in game. You will always get beaten by smart f2p. So the point is, USE YOUR HEAD guys. Dont cry when you got beaten by stab. Instead of crying, counter stab deck wih strategy. Thats all Nobody needs a brain to make a stab deck. That IS the real cat deck. Its back stabbing really. You are implying that making a stab deck is "smart" . A three year old baby can make a stab deck. It is not a "smart deck" I am sorry its not even close. Sorry to sound rude bro but your argument is illegitimate.
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Post by Yarp on Sept 21, 2015 10:35:23 GMT
I have a feeling one of the two things will happen. 1. cap fron 2000 to 200 (it is simple to program for them so why not) 2. limits on amount of creature copies or rune copies per deck. 3. Nerf Sweeping Blow by accident.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 21, 2015 10:50:23 GMT
Lmao...... And you guys ask to nerf stab when its cheap and easy to build ? And a 3 year old baby could build it ?? So why are you asking to nerf it??? LOL GUYS.. You are so damn stupid... Its 1 deck addition to compete at guildwar, gauntlet, and trial, and you ask IGG to nerf it ? LOL guys.. I am so speechless And FOR YOUR INFORMATION, stab deck is easy to defeat, since most of player using some swormaster, border or techno. Titania could sweep them all. And for graboid stab, its hard to meld him with stab since the shard explorer rate is very low. So let me tell you something guys.. This game is give you 2 options, free money, or use money.. We, free money player, never complain when you guys get some some op cards like cancer, dragonlord, and even meld them with revive.. We dont even cry when we got defeated by some cat deck like disposal + revive.. Instead of crying, we force ourself to use our brains to counter those cat fucking stupid deck.. So why do you, money-user player, cry when you guys got defeated by us, F2P? Do you think when you are paying, you are unbeatable No GUYS ! You guys, P2P, are so fucking predictable, low life human, with no balls, and just lucky have rich parents! What are you if your parent arent rich ? YOU ARE JUST SOME LOWLIFE HUMAN, PATHETIC, STUPID in social life ! DOUCHEBAG ! Go play barbie then guys ! Calm down man, this is just a discussion, we're not currently launching a war to take back Helen (of Troy) ...
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Post by mortivore on Sept 21, 2015 10:56:27 GMT
Lmao...... And you guys ask to nerf stab when its cheap and easy to build ? And a 3 year old baby could build it ?? So why are you asking to nerf it??? LOL GUYS.. You are so damn stupid... Its 1 deck addition to compete at guildwar, gauntlet, and trial, and you ask IGG to nerf it ? LOL guys.. I am so speechless And FOR YOUR INFORMATION, stab deck is easy to defeat, since most of player using some swormaster, border or techno. Titania could sweep them all. And for graboid stab, its hard to meld him with stab since the shard explorer rate is very low. So let me tell you something guys.. This game is give you 2 options, free money, or use money.. We, free money player, never complain when you guys get some some op cards like cancer, dragonlord, and even meld them with revive.. We dont even cry when we got defeated by some cat deck like disposal + revive.. Instead of crying, we force ourself to use our brains to counter those cat fucking stupid deck.. So why do you, money-user player, cry when you guys got defeated by us, F2P? Do you think when you are paying, you are unbeatable No GUYS ! You guys, P2P, are so fucking predictable, low life human, with no balls, and just lucky have rich parents! What are you if your parent arent rich ? YOU ARE JUST SOME LOWLIFE HUMAN, PATHETIC, STUPID in social life ! DOUCHEBAG ! Go play barbie then guys ! Good troll. But i'll answer out your post anyway! 1: If everyone was f2p, this game wouldnt existed. If it did, it would be full of commercials. So if you enjoy the game you should be thankfull some players choose to pay the bills for the f2p crowd. 2: If you look at top players in tournament, almost everyone use stab deck. Its easy to build as you said. 3: You say a stab deck is easy to counter. I can tell you its not. Almost impossible to counter a good deck, even with titania, fa cc, predator etc you loose more then you win vs a well build stab deck. And if you build a deck that counters stab, you are weak vs normal decks. 4: Many high ranked players are f2p. And noone is upset with them. They just have to work harder and use their brain more. 5: Its not just in pvp stab is OP. Its also in pve. I beat map 14 secret dungeon on hard less then 3 hours after release with a cheap stab deck. I gave up beating the map with my oceanus deck, because it kept loosing. Im sure that is not how IGG want the map to be played. 6: They are not removing stab from the game, they will just balance it. It will probably still be OP after the nerf, but not broken as it is now. For you information, a card hitting hero for 8k damage is not balanced. 7: I have invested a lot into stab myself, but im still happy to see it balanced.
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Post by FreePlayer on Sept 21, 2015 11:01:21 GMT
Btw,, i am very sorry if i am too rude ! Its nonsense to see P2P always cry and cry
The reason IGG will adjust stab, cause some stupid P2P cry and cry alot..
It cant be undone. Let it be.. I have pro stab deck, and i dont mind if they adjust stab.. But for the future, dont start crying guys, if you think there is something OP. For the first, start using your brains. Be creative
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Post by FreePlayer on Sept 21, 2015 11:10:52 GMT
Lmao...... And you guys ask to nerf stab when its cheap and easy to build ? And a 3 year old baby could build it ?? So why are you asking to nerf it??? LOL GUYS.. You are so damn stupid... Its 1 deck addition to compete at guildwar, gauntlet, and trial, and you ask IGG to nerf it ? LOL guys.. I am so speechless And FOR YOUR INFORMATION, stab deck is easy to defeat, since most of player using some swormaster, border or techno. Titania could sweep them all. And for graboid stab, its hard to meld him with stab since the shard explorer rate is very low. So let me tell you something guys.. This game is give you 2 options, free money, or use money.. We, free money player, never complain when you guys get some some op cards like cancer, dragonlord, and even meld them with revive.. We dont even cry when we got defeated by some cat deck like disposal + revive.. Instead of crying, we force ourself to use our brains to counter those cat fucking stupid deck.. So why do you, money-user player, cry when you guys got defeated by us, F2P? Do you think when you are paying, you are unbeatable No GUYS ! You guys, P2P, are so fucking predictable, low life human, with no balls, and just lucky have rich parents! What are you if your parent arent rich ? YOU ARE JUST SOME LOWLIFE HUMAN, PATHETIC, STUPID in social life ! DOUCHEBAG ! Go play barbie then guys ! Good troll. But i'll answer out your post anyway! 1: If everyone was f2p, this game wouldnt existed. If it did, it would be full of commercials. So if you enjoy the game you should be thankfull some players choose to pay the bills for the f2p crowd. 2: If you look at top players in tournament, almost everyone use stab deck. Its easy to build as you said. 3: You say a stab deck is easy to counter. I can tell you its not. Almost impossible to counter a good deck, even with titania, fa cc, predator etc you loose more then you win vs a well build stab deck. And if you build a deck that counters stab, you are weak vs normal decks. 4: Many high ranked players are f2p. And noone is upset with them. They just have to work harder and use their brain more. 5: Its not just in pvp stab is OP. Its also in pve. I beat map 14 secret dungeon on hard less then 3 hours after release with a cheap stab deck. I gave up beating the map with my oceanus deck, because it kept loosing. Im sure that is not how IGG want the map to be played. 6: They are not removing stab from the game, they will just balance it. It will probably still be OP after the nerf, but not broken as it is now. For you information, a card hitting hero for 8k damage is not balanced. 7: I have invested a lot into stab myself, but im still happy to see it balanced. Nice one bro.. But let me tell you something.. Even stab is being nerfed, with 5star hero + berserk and warcry, it will be easy to clear all maps. So my point is, every skill, every deck, every card, has its own strenght and weakness... Let it be And i dont really agree if stab is hard to counter.. I beat those stab deck everytime in tournament.. And if you are saying, that not the way IGG want the map to be played, how about witches?? I use chaos witch from map 1 until map 12. So do you think, that IGG doesnt want that map to be played that way too??? No matter what strategy u r using, it basiclly for us, the player. Period. Why you take a risk ruining your map progress, when it has a way to clear it faster? Then how about revive? This skill is only from altar and booster. Not everyone could get it. Dont u think its OP? Ofc it is OP, but its not unbeatable And how about 100% immunity like cancer??? There are alot of OP cards out there which cost so much money.. Let say, if all F2P ask to nerf cancer, or mithril drone, AND you have those cards, How do you feel??
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Post by FreePlayer on Sept 21, 2015 11:28:42 GMT
And for your statement, that P2P is the one that makes this game runs, you are completely right. And we, F2P, which maybe 75% of all the players in DH, are the one that make this games become more challenging.. WITOHOUT US GUYS, you P2P will only fighting each other, but not to decide who is the strongest, but to decide who is the richest.
And for the last, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT ADVANCED MAP for f2p. Map 15 is coming soon, and there are alot of F2P that stuck at map 11 or map 12. Lol. They are hoping to beat the map, cause there is a cheap way to beat it, and now they maybe losing hope, and maybe they stop playing
Even a Hanuman, is very rare in altar, and yet he isnt useful in map 14. Dont u agree? And for F2P, based on my calculation, will get their first 5star hero in 1 year. Right?
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Post by Yarp on Sept 21, 2015 11:40:53 GMT
And for your statement, that P2P is the one that makes this game runs, you are completely right. And we, F2P, which maybe 75% of all the players in DH, are the one that make this games become more challenging.. WITOHOUT US GUYS, you P2P will only fighting each other, but not to decide who is the strongest, but to decide who is the richest. And for the last, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT ADVANCED MAP for f2p. Map 15 is coming soon, and there are alot of F2P that stuck at map 11 or map 12. Lol. They are hoping to beat the map, cause there is a cheap way to beat it, and now they maybe losing hope, and maybe they stop playing Even a Hanuman, is very rare in altar, and yet he isnt useful in map 14. Dont u agree? And for F2P, based on my calculation, will get their first 5star hero in 1 year. Right? either nerf or no nerf just deal with it. Just hope IGG comoensates the players with at least a few gems or an event. And hopefully no one made a stab liege
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 21, 2015 11:54:17 GMT
Rofl stop dwelling in the past, get a time machine or gtfo if you don't want stab balanced.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 21, 2015 12:04:20 GMT
Most of P2P are complaining about stab. I know the reason. Most of them using revive + disposal royal dragon (cat DECK). And they got beaten by some graboid stab.. Lmao.. Its not stab that is OP. but it is you guys, should start using ur TINY LITTLE BRAIN. And let me tell you something, this always happens when you use money and no brain in game. You will always get beaten by smart f2p. So the point is, USE YOUR HEAD guys. Dont cry when you got beaten by stab. Instead of crying, counter stab deck wih strategy. Thats all The little wuss has come back again? Get a life you useless buffoon.
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Post by nin7 on Sept 21, 2015 12:59:17 GMT
... I'm starting to think that if igg had just introduced a new Hero Rune making st much less viable as a strategy, there would be much less fuss about it ... .. and who could guarantee it will be getting nerfed.. they could have solved that by releasing some new creatures/heroes.. You should see the paradox there It adresses the same issue and would have the same effects on your deck and investments, but you wouldn't be complaining? Please, consider amidala making her own definition of broken to support her argument is interesting too... In gaming (or programing), something that doesn't work properly is said to be bugged while broken is used mostly for something that is overpowered to the point of threatening game health ...and then random guests have started popping to troll and insult Time to close the thread? I'm leaving it for good at least It has been a pleasure
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 21, 2015 13:03:25 GMT
Rofl stop dwelling in the past, get a time machine or gtfo if you don't want stab balanced. Whats this attitude? Who do you think you are telling people to gtfo? Its not your's property or something. Fascinating. I suggest that admins lock this thread before it goes out of control. You don't need to have any attitude towards full caps users using words such as "DOUCHEBAG, LOW LIFE HUMAN, WITH NO BALLS". If they are being a fucktard, they don't deserve anything nice back. Discussing the stab balance/nerf is fine, trolling is also fine but flaming with caps. They can burn in hell for all I care.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Sept 21, 2015 13:17:06 GMT
Before this thread gets locked or something I am sorry if I was rude to anyone. Free player you are still my buddy, and so is everyone here. It's just a game people, lets peace it out. 0:-) Lets be honest, everyone has used stab as much as they could. Everybody is going to lose energy/resources after this update.
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Post by drakkan on Sept 21, 2015 13:17:43 GMT
.. and who could guarantee it will be getting nerfed.. they could have solved that by releasing some new creatures/heroes.. You should see the paradox there It adresses the same issue and would have the same effects on your deck and investments, but you wouldn't be complaining? Please, consider Man, do I need to draw everything. How would it have same effect? If it were solved by rune (hopefully at least 4*), then at least I could use my stab army for gauntlet and it wouldn't be a (totally) wasted 2 months. Also players could use ST to climb up on tournament to some point, surely not to top100, but most players don't even plan to go near top100. It would probably have its uses in guild wars.. (but it doesnt matter, as it wont be solved by rune anyways) So lets see what will be changed, as mortivore said it well, ST might still be playable just not that broken. Which is fine and as it should be (like curse/godswill)..
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Post by .ruby. on Sept 21, 2015 13:18:13 GMT
I think hero hp get damage by stabthough should based on damage that make to cards. For example if a stabthrough card attacks a card with frost armor and makes 180hp damage, the hero should get 180hp damage only.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 21, 2015 13:19:44 GMT
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