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Post by Absoul on Nov 1, 2015 16:10:04 GMT
I know there are multiple way to run guilds. I myself made multiple ones, all successful. Without switching guild, max weekly contributions is 175k. It ain't enough even for a small group. But if you run multiple guilds, you can let them build up to +/-500k. Now join 3 of those guilds a week and you have unlimited guilds resources ; every map shards/gold/guild credits for a much larger group. Not saying it's the only way to run a good guild, but 1.5m vs 175k speak for itself imo. So what do the helper monkeys who are contributing the energy to those 3 guilds get or are they just alt accounts from your main players? They get tons of leftover shards from map 1, 2 and 3.
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Post by ℳarty on Nov 1, 2015 20:06:04 GMT
As Absoul said, they get tons of left over shards, a lot more than they could get ever get on their own. My guilds help new players .I wish I joined a guild like that when I was lvl 20. As for how I manage my guilds and how I fil them up, if I use alts or not etc. Is something I will keep for myself and guildies. All you need to know is my noobies are well treated
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Post by Cr@ig on Nov 1, 2015 23:22:32 GMT
As Absoul said, they get tons of left over shards, a lot more than they could get ever get on their own. My guilds help new players .I wish I joined a guild like that when I was lvl 20. As for how I manage my guilds and how I fil them up, if I use alts or not etc. Is something I will keep for myself and guildies. All you need to know is my noobies are well treated I have no problem whatsoever with your guild! If your noobies are informed and happy that is all they can ask for.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Nov 2, 2015 0:28:20 GMT
Honestly if your not a top player, joining one of our "energy steal guilds" is better than joining a random guild that has a wait time of days/weeks/months for a specific creature. We normally leave over 400 shards behind anyways. I mean an Ash Beast might not help a top player alot, but for the majority, a free 5* creature with sweeping blow and they are more than happy. Plus they get about 40k guild credits within few days. I had few players thanking me on youtube as well for it, rather surprisingly. (Did not disclose his name as he's public visible on my YT page anyway)
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Post by berseker on Nov 2, 2015 0:48:58 GMT
Hi all!
The key issue here is information ....if a player knows that he/she is in a guild that will allow him/her to get only decent 5* shards, some 4* cards and so on...and he/she is ok with it...then go for it
If a player doesnt know a thing about that....and get dumped of a guild without reason at all....thats bad (foe him/her)....cause he/she just got used as a resource
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Post by Pyron on Nov 2, 2015 0:58:21 GMT
I think the problem may be the starting of those farming guilds. At the beginning it's inevitable to "rip off" the first kickers, as the farming guild will have nothing except whatever they can scrap for.
I guess you can circumnavigate this by trading/acquiring an existing guild, clear off that guild ASAP with existing contribution and start attracting new players with this.
Like Naruto said, new players can gain a lot from this. If you join a bad one, just don't stay. It may be or not be a malicious guild, it doesn't matter in terms of real gain for you. Just look for this kinda guild with leftovers. The leftovers are great. My alt got 10 Hellwolves and 3 Puppeteers and with just this hit top 7 in Arena in a few days. s*** ton of gems very fast and painless. I've collected a Ash Beast and Titania and for some reason the other newbies were collecting stuff at abyssal rate. Even if you aren't as lucky to get this kinda guild (dunno how common they are), just grabbing essences would be super helpful. If I joined a legit casual guild, even collecting essences would be a pain in the a**.
For lvl 20 to 60 it can be a super good deal.
Although it's good to shun bad practices like cited before, it's good to also show the other side and maybe this way, by dissiminating the good practice of this "exploitation system" we can create a win-win scenario to all.
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Post by Pyron on Nov 2, 2015 1:01:56 GMT
Hi all! The key issue here is information ....if a player knows that he/she is in a guild that will allow him/her to get only decent 5* shards, some 4* cards and so on...and he/she is ok with it...then go for it If a player doesnt know a thing about that....and get dumped of a guild without reason at all....thats bad (foe him/her)....cause he/she just got used as a resource Also, there is a problem with this because we can't really help the clueless here. We want to help them, but they don't seek help. They don't know what's bad or good. They also may be non-committal players which is probably the majority, so they may play this for a couple of weeks and leave. The ingame message system and their official forum don't help either in educate new players (a in game message system could help). Even without this thread I believe most people in this forum had some idea what was going on.
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Post by trkyhntr on Nov 2, 2015 3:49:42 GMT
Hi all! The key issue here is information ....if a player knows that he/she is in a guild that will allow him/her to get only decent 5* shards, some 4* cards and so on...and he/she is ok with it...then go for it If a player doesnt know a thing about that....and get dumped of a guild without reason at all....thats bad (foe him/her)....cause he/she just got used as a resource Also, there is a problem with this because we can't really help the clueless here. We want to help them, but they don't seek help. They don't know what's bad or good. They also may be non-committal players which is probably the majority, so they may play this for a couple of weeks and leave. The ingame message system and their official forum don't help either in educate new players (a in game message system could help). Even without this thread I believe most people in this forum had some idea what was going on. This statement is incorrect for me. I started playing before there was a guild system. I joined a guild as soon as it was available. I had no idea what was happening when my guild recently started saving up energy and not opening maps. I thought the gm and captains were saving to open all maps at once. I also knew nothing of this forum until 2 weeks ago. I played daily and was level 87 when I left my first and only guild because of energy farming. Some might say I was an exception. They could be right, but it is wrong to assume all players just know what's going on, that all of them are noncommittal, and that it is always a you scratchy back I will scratch yours situation. I am an example of that. I agree in game messaging and communication is terrible at best. It may be nearly impossible to let players know that they are being used for energy in these farming guilds. That's why it shouldn't happen. If there is a way to inform everyone and they agree I don't think there is an issue. When you use others without their knowledge and without any benefit to them, you ruin the game for them. I play because I enjoy it. I like the challenge, but realized long ago that I would not be at the top as a f2p player. I was quite content to stay in my free for all guild, but I didn't get that option. In an effort for some to be the best, the game was ruined for me. In the end it has been better for me because of the guild I found. If I had not found Apex Alliance or if the had not found me, I likely would have quit playing. I would not want to be in a position where I caused someone to quit playing, especially after they invested such time and energy as I had. Respectfully, Trkyhntr
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Post by orgoth on Nov 2, 2015 4:24:10 GMT
Tge quitters fact is completely true the average time a person gets bored of any game is 1 month deck heroes is more addictive than most so its ussually 3 months.
The main cause of quitters are they have a lot of games in their smartphones out of which only 3 or so are used on average days. And the once the games novelty wears off the only reason you would still play is commitment.
As for temporary players being exploited yes it is possible, I am guilty of false advetising referal codes to other players I have since considered that it is pointless to exploit players (thats what alts are for)
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Post by Pyron on Nov 2, 2015 4:30:43 GMT
Like I say: "may". I didn't say all are. Just for my experience creating accounts and joining non-organized guild, most are non-committal. They even skip grabbing freebies. That's how non-committal they are. Know you took your time to get the information about the game mechanics. How to maximize it. That's why you feel ripped off. I'd feel the same.
I say I'm assuming most people don't know what's going on, but if you visit the forum, I think you should know what's going on because this is the natural evolution of this guild system. Way before I joined NFS, I actually was thinking in doing this way: create a guild, open a couple of maps, accumulate energy till you can open all six maps and reap the rewards.
However, that time, I was thinking this is too much work overall and also noone would join a guild like this without offering something back. I guess I'm wrong. People do join and stay in guilds like this because they are mostly clueless about the game mechanics. For them this is the normal because they don't explore beyond. The ones who explore beyond will smell this and act eventually (like you did eventually).
Now I'm not for ruining the experience of the clueless. I'm for informing how people can maximize and enjoy the game mechanics. However, our shouts may not reach the vast majority of players due to the nature of the mobile gaming community and the poor in-game communication system.
But if you know the game mechanics and you go to the forum, you should kinda smell this coming by a mile IMO. There is no way top players would have their card line up and stay F2P/STAR. You can just look at top 100 tournament and see that the contribution level doesn't add up to what most F2P top players have.
Now I'm not judging how people play the game, stay casual or compete. It doesn't matter. I'm just stating the fact of the matter. That's the reality of what's going on independently of my views or anybody's. I wish I could shout about this to all new players who create their first account and then hit lvl 20 and have this option available, so instead of getting rip off, actually they can get real benefits.
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Post by trkyhntr on Nov 2, 2015 5:09:53 GMT
Like I say: "may". I didn't say all are. Just for my experience creating accounts and joining non-organized guild, most are non-committal. They even skip grabbing freebies. That's how non-committal they are. Know you took your time to get the information about the game mechanics. How to maximize it. That's why you feel ripped off. I'd feel the same. I say I'm assuming most people don't know what's going on, but if you visit the forum, I think you should know what's going on because this is the natural evolution of this guild system. Way before I joined NFS, I actually was thinking in doing this way: create a guild, open a couple of maps, accumulate energy till you can open all six maps and reap the rewards. However, that time, I was thinking this is too much work overall and also noone would join a guild like this without offering something back. I guess I'm wrong. People do join and stay in guilds like this because they are mostly clueless about the game mechanics. For them this is the normal because they don't explore beyond. The ones who explore beyond will smell this and act eventually (like you did eventually). Now I'm not for ruining the experience of the clueless. I'm for informing how people can maximize and enjoy the game mechanics. However, our shouts may not reach the vast majority of players due to the nature of the mobile gaming community and the poor in-game communication system. But if you know the game mechanics and you go to the forum, you should kinda smell this coming by a mile IMO. There is no way top players would have their card line up and stay F2P/STAR. You can just look at top 100 tournament and see that the contribution level doesn't add up to what most F2P top players have. Now I'm not judging how people play the game, stay casual or compete. It doesn't matter. I'm just stating the fact of the matter. That's the reality of what's going on independently of my views or anybody's. I wish I could shout about this to all new players who create their first account and then hit lvl 20 and have this option available, so instead of getting rip off, actually they can get real benefits. This I agree with. I however will tell you casual but committed gamers may not seek out this forum. I did not know it existed. I am sure others do not. Assuming they will figure it out(energy stealing) by seeking out other sources is a stretch. If I ( for fun gamer) am playing for fun, I get used, jump from one farm guild to another, I will eventually quit because I can't progress. If people aren't playing igg will not put any resources into game development. = bad for all of us. In the end people are going to exploit others for their benefit unless the guild system is changed. I agree that communication is key and I have no problem with it as long as people agree with their individual guild situation. It is wrong to rationalize guild energy farming by saying that they just should have known better.
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Post by RkrSteve on Nov 3, 2015 15:05:51 GMT
Like I say: "may". I didn't say all are. Just for my experience creating accounts and joining non-organized guild, most are non-committal. They even skip grabbing freebies. That's how non-committal they are. Know you took your time to get the information about the game mechanics. How to maximize it. That's why you feel ripped off. I'd feel the same. I say I'm assuming most people don't know what's going on, but if you visit the forum, I think you should know what's going on because this is the natural evolution of this guild system. Way before I joined NFS, I actually was thinking in doing this way: create a guild, open a couple of maps, accumulate energy till you can open all six maps and reap the rewards. However, that time, I was thinking this is too much work overall and also noone would join a guild like this without offering something back. I guess I'm wrong. People do join and stay in guilds like this because they are mostly clueless about the game mechanics. For them this is the normal because they don't explore beyond. The ones who explore beyond will smell this and act eventually (like you did eventually). Now I'm not for ruining the experience of the clueless. I'm for informing how people can maximize and enjoy the game mechanics. However, our shouts may not reach the vast majority of players due to the nature of the mobile gaming community and the poor in-game communication system. But if you know the game mechanics and you go to the forum, you should kinda smell this coming by a mile IMO. There is no way top players would have their card line up and stay F2P/STAR. You can just look at top 100 tournament and see that the contribution level doesn't add up to what most F2P top players have. Now I'm not judging how people play the game, stay casual or compete. It doesn't matter. I'm just stating the fact of the matter. That's the reality of what's going on independently of my views or anybody's. I wish I could shout about this to all new players who create their first account and then hit lvl 20 and have this option available, so instead of getting rip off, actually they can get real benefits. This I agree with. I however will tell you casual but committed gamers may not seek out this forum. I did not know it existed. I am sure others do not. Assuming they will figure it out(energy stealing) by seeking out other sources is a stretch. If I ( for fun gamer) am playing for fun, I get used, jump from one farm guild to another, I will eventually quit because I can't progress. If people aren't playing igg will not put any resources into game development. = bad for all of us. In the end people are going to exploit others for their benefit unless the guild system is changed. I agree that communication is key and I have no problem with it as long as people agree with their individual guild situation. It is wrong to rationalize guild energy farming by saying that they just should have known better. It's not exploiting. Noobs are good for energy, nothing more. If they seek out help, ie google, they'll find the forums. 99% of them don't answer messages in game, so there's no other way to communicate. I had to kick multiple guys out of my old guild that wouldn't respond to messages, and just leeched every shard at random. Low level players that do 13k dmg don't deserve fafnirs. If they won't answer messages, gotta kickem.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Nov 3, 2015 15:40:43 GMT
I really had no intentions of adding to this, but to be quite frank, those pushing that not informing the players who are farmed is unfair etc, as you can see from Marty's posts, a lot of the time they get a lot of benefits which they would not ordinarily get by playing the game straight on, Even if they do join an honest guild that early on, they would benefit a lot less, mainly due to that fact that a guild accepting players at such early stages will not have heavy hitters and thus will not be able to clear maps at any reasonable pace. My first guild took a month to clear map one, just take that in for consideration.
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Post by trkyhntr on Nov 3, 2015 15:51:24 GMT
I really had no intentions of adding to this, but to be quite frank, those pushing that not informing the players who are farmed is unfair etc, as you can see from Marty's posts, a lot of the time they get a lot of benefits which they would not ordinarily get by playing the game straight on, Even if they do join an honest guild that early on, they would benefit a lot less, mainly due to that fact that a guild accepting players at such early stages will not have heavy hitters and thus will not be able to clear maps at any reasonable pace. My first guild took a month to clear map one, just take that in for consideration. We can agree to disagree.
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Post by ℳarty on Nov 3, 2015 16:24:41 GMT
I really had no intentions of adding to this, but to be quite frank, those pushing that not informing the players who are farmed is unfair etc, as you can see from Marty's posts, a lot of the time they get a lot of benefits which they would not ordinarily get by playing the game straight on, Even if they do join an honest guild that early on, they would benefit a lot less, mainly due to that fact that a guild accepting players at such early stages will not have heavy hitters and thus will not be able to clear maps at any reasonable pace. My first guild took a month to clear map one, just take that in for consideration. Some peoples just don't get it. I'm not adding anymore to this thread because everything been said imho and no one have yet to convince me how "mean" and "unfair" this practice is. I mean, even a SS showing a low lvl ASKING to rejoin a farm guild with a friend ain't enough for those guys,
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Post by trkyhntr on Nov 3, 2015 16:55:06 GMT
I really had no intentions of adding to this, but to be quite frank, those pushing that not informing the players who are farmed is unfair etc, as you can see from Marty's posts, a lot of the time they get a lot of benefits which they would not ordinarily get by playing the game straight on, Even if they do join an honest guild that early on, they would benefit a lot less, mainly due to that fact that a guild accepting players at such early stages will not have heavy hitters and thus will not be able to clear maps at any reasonable pace. My first guild took a month to clear map one, just take that in for consideration. Some peoples just don't get it. I'm not adding anymore to this thread because everything been said imho and no one have yet to convince me how "mean" and "unfair" this practice is. I mean, even a SS showing a low lvl ASKING to rejoin a farm guild with a friend ain't enough for those guys, I don't have issue with this. A player that knows what the deal is and is ok with it. Doesn't bother me in the least. Contacting members with no response back and kicking them no issue there either. You made an effort, I am good with that. Players that don't play by guild rules- no problem with them kicked either. My issue is not contacting players and blanketly assuming all of them are not in for long haul and using them for energy with no communication. (As was done in my case. After I had repeatedly tried to contact captains and gm.) There can be a million different scenarios and no perfect solution. Such is life. The issue is taking advantage with no effort to let them know what the deal is. Making a deal with a gm or captain and wiping a guild out when members are opposed. The idea that they are newbs, not going last, not advanced enough to be of consequence, and are therefore there to be energy farmed is like me saying everyone is a criminal until proven innocent.
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Post by berseker on Nov 3, 2015 17:02:18 GMT
hey all!
I think the idea of this thread isnt to convince anybody of fair/unfair of something;
As i said in a previous post....the main idea is the information....the rest....its up to the players
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Post by Mandragora on Nov 3, 2015 18:06:36 GMT
A farm guild where everybody knows whats going on = good. Its a joint venture. You can write the rules/terms of service on a website and post it on the guild header.
A farm guild that kicks everyone overnight without previous warning, with conveniently silent staff = bad. This is a sweatshop.
Yeah, information is the difference.
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Post by countzero on Nov 6, 2015 8:29:29 GMT
I really had no intentions of adding to this, but to be quite frank, those pushing that not informing the players who are farmed is unfair etc, as you can see from Marty's posts, a lot of the time they get a lot of benefits which they would not ordinarily get by playing the game straight on, Even if they do join an honest guild that early on, they would benefit a lot less, mainly due to that fact that a guild accepting players at such early stages will not have heavy hitters and thus will not be able to clear maps at any reasonable pace. My first guild took a month to clear map one, just take that in for consideration. Some peoples just don't get it. I'm not adding anymore to this thread because everything been said imho and no one have yet to convince me how "mean" and "unfair" this practice is. I mean, even a SS showing a low lvl ASKING to rejoin a farm guild with a friend ain't enough for those guys, Nice logic, One second hand SS, showing one guy saying thanks, should be enough, when a bunch of people recounting their first hand experiences at being shafted fails to convince you. What does it take to convince someone they are wrong? I better go work on my screenshot skills.
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Post by ℳarty on Nov 6, 2015 23:25:23 GMT
Some peoples just don't get it. I'm not adding anymore to this thread because everything been said imho and no one have yet to convince me how "mean" and "unfair" this practice is. I mean, even a SS showing a low lvl ASKING to rejoin a farm guild with a friend ain't enough for those guys, Nice logic, One second hand SS, showing one guy saying thanks, should be enough, when a bunch of people recounting their first hand experiences at being shafted fails to convince you. What does it take to convince someone they are wrong? I better go work on my screenshot skills. Never said 1 single SS was enough. There is 8 pages of argumentation in this thread, This is enough to make up my mind. Now Tell me what more can you offer to a lvl 20-40 guy that can barely hit 10k on gm? At what rate will they get a decent 5*? Do you offer them unlimited amount of 4* cards/5* essences? Most, if not all casual guild usaly don't. Im not saying no one got screwed over this practice, I'm saying alot of newbs benefit from it. This is getting so repetitive.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Nov 6, 2015 23:57:45 GMT
Some peoples just don't get it. I'm not adding anymore to this thread because everything been said imho and no one have yet to convince me how "mean" and "unfair" this practice is. I mean, even a SS showing a low lvl ASKING to rejoin a farm guild with a friend ain't enough for those guys, Nice logic, One second hand SS, showing one guy saying thanks, should be enough, when a bunch of people recounting their first hand experiences at being shafted fails to convince you. What does it take to convince someone they are wrong? I better go work on my screenshot skills. So you expect every single person who has benefited to join the forum just to post on your thread?
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Post by zerole on Nov 7, 2015 3:47:14 GMT
I think the large majority of you are arguing about two different things.
One side thinks stealing Energy and booting people is bad. The other side thinks it's fine since both sides benefit. There's some truth to both sides.
I think both sides can agree that the important thing is consent and awareness of the situation. Contacting players in game is way too difficult (I've yet to see or read any in game messages in the 7 months I've been playing), but putting it in the Guild Note is simple enough.
For me personally, my views have changed a bit in the sense that after seeing some of the arguments here - I can't rationally justify a new player doing 1-20K DMG and getting high tier shards just for their energy. At the same time however, I still think they should be alerted to purpose of the Guild.
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Post by daoze✪NFS on Nov 7, 2015 3:48:45 GMT
after reading 8 pages of argument, i begin to laugh at those who are arguing with Imperial/Naruto/Marty/Pyron.
They are not getting the idea.
this thread is becoming like comparing an orange to a kiwi, contrasting which is good and which is bad when they are 2 different views of discussion.
I agree with Imperial/Naruto/Marty/Pyron of what they said, lowbies in good guild format should be informed and able to farm some 5* cards from map1-3. it is a good way for them to start their deck building.
As for those who are crying fowl against exploiting guilds, do bare in mind, who does not come out noob. i also was a noob once. i was also in a farming guild before i switch. but i was able to realize something was wrong before i was exploited too much. I was not on this forum then. Playing DH is a leisure or for some, hard-core. but what i wish to do say is. It boils down to people naivety to believe if they are in good guild or bad guild.
those that disagrees with Imperial/Naruto/Marty/Pyron, can you say you do not benefit from the farming guilds? free essence? free melding material? free unsealing materials?
It is a win-win situation for lowbies to join guilds that maybe a main guild or farming guild. but 1 thing for sure, those that join a guild ought to do their own research. creating this thread does not solve the problem, it adds on to the anguish towards the unfair treatment by IGG. "farming guilds" is a way for many members to counter the treatment by IGG towards F2P players. but this thread seems to stopping people to join "pseudo" guilds.
if TLDR, simply put.
All is fair is a game of play. No exploitation towards players or guilds. The only exploit is towards the game designers where players try to get ahead of them.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Nov 7, 2015 4:47:24 GMT
All I can say is, when I was a noob I joined a weak guild which had maps 1 and 2 only open, and it would take a solid 2 weeks to clear one map. There was no distribution system, so for that 1 clearance you might get a handful of random shards.
If someone had offered to use me for contribution in an active clan, giving me 1 weak 5* as a reward and maybe a couple of big 4*, I would have been all over it. Would have got my Wight 10x faster, access to things like Twins way faster, and a 5* creature at a time I have nothing. In return all I have to give is what I do anyway- spend my energy. Then when we have what we want, I get booted.
Totally beneficial to both parties.
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Nov 7, 2015 6:57:52 GMT
Honestly my perspective from this discussion is miscommunication People outside of guilds assuming what other guilds do calling it "exploiting" when they kick members that only contribute energy Many good guilds require members to have at least good dmg, so if you do not qualify then why not kick them? I can also see the laziness in assuming that a guild that kicks newbs after contribution is called "exploiting"? when providing energy is the only thing they are good for Seriously if you do not have a very good understanding of how this hoping guild system works then it is very unfair for you to assume people are exploiting other players If the newbs in this game actually cared to be in a guild that is fair, they will try and get in contact with GM's or captain, or at least search for a guild with a good distribution system. Because with a distribution system with only in-game communication is chaotic, disorganized and almost impossible and in the end can still turn out unfair This thread was made for calling out guilds, when you don't even understand how this guilds operate
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Post by countzero on Nov 7, 2015 8:06:53 GMT
Lol, you guys are hilarious. Half of these posts starts with- I'm sick of people saying the same thing, then you all do just that.
1- We all seem to agree that using people for energy without telling them, or trying to tell them what is going on is dodgy.
The arguments can start from that point about the finer points of who benefits and how.
What I keep seeing from a certain set of staunch defenders (I'm not saying their guilds are dodgy) is them making point 1- then going on to describe their practices which don't involve informing players of what is going on:
-The noobs get loads out of it. -The noobs should know better. - Everyone was a noob once.
I'm not hearing anyone who is defending farming new players saying- you're right, we should try to inform people not farm them. We will put the central point 1 into action more so we don't alienate the player base.
If what you're doing is so okay why are you defending it so hard, not just saying- yeah, I agree with 1, we (will) tell people?
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Post by Mandragora on Nov 7, 2015 12:35:51 GMT
A lot of guilds have problems to limit the damage done on gmaps. A newbie doing peanuts damage is sometimes an asset actually.
If your guild doesnt farm other guilds or have an army of alts you really should consider bringing in lowbies. They deserve a lot more credit than collecting scraps.
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Post by Jonathan on Nov 7, 2015 13:43:01 GMT
Lol, you guys are hilarious. Half of these posts starts with- I'm sick of people saying the same thing, then you all do just that. 1- We all seem to agree that using people for energy without telling them, or trying to tell them what is going on is dodgy. The arguments can start from that point about the finer points of who benefits and how. What I keep seeing from a certain set of staunch defenders (I'm not saying their guilds are dodgy) is them making point 1- then going on to describe their practices which don't involve informing players of what is going on: -The noobs get loads out of it. -The noobs should know better. - Everyone was a noob once. I'm not hearing anyone who is defending farming new players saying- you're right, we should try to inform people not farm them. We will put the central point 1 into action more so we don't alienate the player base. If what you're doing is so okay why are you defending it so hard, not just saying- yeah, I agree with 1, we (will) tell people? Something strange seems here, CountZero. What i understand from what you write here is not about the practice itself but about the people/guilds who do that. Right? In simple understandable words, it is about one or more top guilds, their members and their policy/attitude for this matter. Stop provoking and more than that stop being disrespectful. We are not finding the cure for cancer, we are just discussing with pro/anti arguments a situation even tho we repeat ourselves many times. For the well being of this forum, please don't try to make this a flame war with you on one side and the other members on the other side. Be respectful in your words an attitude. Thank you, Jonathan
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Post by Mandragora on Nov 7, 2015 14:51:40 GMT
after reading 8 pages of argument, i begin to laugh at those who are arguing with Imperial/Naruto/Marty/Pyron. What a poor choice of words here
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Post by ℜ★Trun on Nov 7, 2015 15:18:13 GMT
If you want to try to inform people.more power to you but it's a losing battle....the majority won't check forums and have no interest in a chat app.
Yes there are better ways todo for everyone if we could get open lines of communication but for
So I hosntly don't understand the point of this discussion since everyone knows what's going on including igg. So I don't know how things will change short or major changes by igg such as a new game mode that encourages single guild play with worth while rewards
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