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Post by countzero on Oct 15, 2015 8:24:03 GMT
Yesterday, a very reasonable player made a thread about the way he was admitted to a guild, used for energy along with a number of other unsuspecting players and then booted when the members of a powerful guild moved in to use the energy.
His intention was to prevent this happening to other players in Deck Heroes.
This was a brave thing to do and should have been praised, but he was instead attacked by some of the senior members of this forum and the thread was subsequently deleted.
I'm proud to take a stand alongside this player, who I don't know at all, against the practice he described- 'farming' unsuspecting players for their energy, booting them, then using the energy for opening maps and gaining shards.
This has been going on for a long time and needs to stop. At the very least the opportunity to warn other players of this should not have been taken away.
I would like to hear support from the community for this type of player abuse to end, it can only hurt the game in the long run.
Zero of The Nameless.
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Post by countzero on Oct 15, 2015 8:31:33 GMT
Please contact me on Line with info on any guilds that do this.
I'll put a Blacklist together too.
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Post by raywinx on Oct 15, 2015 8:47:27 GMT
The name of the guild was mentioned. So the thread might have been deleted by a member of that guild.
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Post by corvin on Oct 15, 2015 8:48:31 GMT
In my server it's common practice. Every strong guilds and players do it. Does it wrong? I thougt small guilds have benefits too. If they stuck on some guild maps and want fast progress.
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Post by raywinx on Oct 15, 2015 8:52:47 GMT
It is wrong, as you are stealing their energy and their time for your or guild's own benefit.
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Post by countzero on Oct 15, 2015 8:55:40 GMT
In my server it's common practice. Every strong guilds and players do it. Does it wrong? I thougt small guilds have benefits too. If they stuck on some guild maps and want fast progress. I personally think it is wrong. If players who are unwitting about what is going on (this presumes they have no way to contact the GM) are being admitted to a guild, plugging away at map 1 for a while, then suddenly finding themselves out of the guild while others move in, I would consider that stealing at best/slavery at worst. I would like to hear what others think, and hopefully get some people who feel the same as me to work against it happening.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 9:00:06 GMT
Aye aye captain zero.
Even I have overheard a few guys talk about a 10-12 member team, opening all maps at once, finishing off all maps in 2-3 days and collecting shards at the same time and moving on to another guild.
'and moving on to another guild.' I wasn't clear as to how this guild exactly worked but I guess I know now. I don't know what guild this was but I suspect they keep changing guild names for obvious reasons.
This is clear exploitation of new members and I don't like this one bit either.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 9:04:43 GMT
In my server it's common practice. Every strong guilds and players do it. Does it wrong? I thougt small guilds have benefits too. If they stuck on some guild maps and want fast progress. I think you might got it wrong. Yes sometimes one heavy hitter comes and clears a few maps in exchange for particular shards that is okay. But here new players are recruited by a guild and the guild runs slowly and when contribution is maxed out all other members are kicked out and a bunch of high lvl players come in and take everything for themselves.
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Post by raywinx on Oct 15, 2015 9:08:17 GMT
"Moving on to another guild" ... you contact the guild master and offer him a 5 star card of his choice make him a part of their team if needed and request him to dismiss all the rest of the members. My guild master got that offer too, but he refused
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 9:12:00 GMT
"Moving on to another guild" ... you contact the guild master and offer him a 5 star card of his choice make him a part of their team if needed and request him to dismiss all the rest of the members. My guild master got that offer too, but he refused Ha ha.. Crazy politics. Real world wasn't enough so it had to be in game too. Lol.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 15, 2015 9:36:38 GMT
thats why solo guilding is better long run imo...
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Post by ittadakimaas on Oct 15, 2015 9:50:45 GMT
Great post - appreciate your stance on the matter! Hopefully this practice will reduce over time, and/or IGG will improve the guild system to make such strategies less viable. Until then all we can do is make people aware of such practices and dangers so they can watch out for themselves.
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Post by unrequited on Oct 15, 2015 10:55:16 GMT
Ok, so here's the deal. I was in a few energy farming guilds, on the 'exploited side' of things. I would go into a guild with all the maps unlocked (and four or five open), do as much damage in the maps as I could (so as to earn gold), obtain 5star creature shards and 4 star creatures I couldn't normally obtain, and then, when the guild hit around 350k contribution, I'd get kicked, and join a new one. Guild farming can be a symbiotic relationship. Until you get your wight (or berserker, or demon hunter, w/e), and a deck that can survive long enough for you to do real damage, YOU are leeching off of any guild with a map open past two, you don't lose energy, you lose the ability to contribute energy to a different guild. That's the price you pay. For those of you who may be lower level, working on improving their decks and in guilds like that, here's what you need to do:
1. Make sure you're in a guild that has at least three or four maps OPEN (not just unlocked). This isn't always possible, but if the guild your in has 200k+ contribution and only 1 or 2 maps open, you can probably do better. 2. If someone in the guild says 'don't go for x shards or creatures' (this will happen), you need to decide if it's worth being in that guild. If they tell you to not go for ANY shards or creatures, I'll tell you now, it's not worth it. 3. Energy farming guilds will get you more 5 star shards and 4star creatures than small guilds, unless those small guilds are MADE for helping out newbies (I've yet to find one of these). You'll also have the opportunity to farm more gold in these, map 2, 4 and 6 have reasonable amounts of 'sacrifice' creatures, which will net you almost 500k every time.
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Post by Ominous on Oct 15, 2015 10:58:19 GMT
Sounds dodgy, rules should be clear on the outset and abided by everyone included the GM.
Not much can be done against this behaviour besides naming and shaming.
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Post by zcolez on Oct 15, 2015 11:54:08 GMT
omg! this stuff is terrible really and by the way i totally support any form of way of stopping this slavery, P.S. ominous is ur ign Apex.Ominous? plz can u pm me on line? Mine is James Fip. your in my arena and i cant beat you for first place.....i just need it once
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Oct 15, 2015 11:58:51 GMT
I deleted the last thread because it was getting out of hand, if I see anyone attacking anyone else on this thread, there will be consequences.
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Post by countzero on Oct 15, 2015 14:15:19 GMT
I deleted the last thread because it was getting out of hand, if I see anyone attacking anyone else on this thread, there will be consequences. Is there a moderator senior to you? I would like to speak to them please. Meanwhile, anyone with suspect guilds PM me or use Line rather than post names here please. I would prefer not to have the mods delete this thread if they deem it is 'getting out of hand' based on whatever personal criteria they use.
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Post by countzero on Oct 15, 2015 14:19:55 GMT
Ok, so here's the deal. I was in a few energy farming guilds, on the 'exploited side' of things. I would go into a guild with all the maps unlocked (and four or five open), do as much damage in the maps as I could (so as to earn gold), obtain 5star creature shards and 4 star creatures I couldn't normally obtain, and then, when the guild hit around 350k contribution, I'd get kicked, and join a new one. Guild farming can be a symbiotic relationship. Until you get your wight (or berserker, or demon hunter, w/e), and a deck that can survive long enough for you to do real damage, YOU are leeching off of any guild with a map open past two, you don't lose energy, you lose the ability to contribute energy to a different guild. That's the price you pay. For those of you who may be lower level, working on improving their decks and in guilds like that, here's what you need to do: 1. Make sure you're in a guild that has at least three or four maps OPEN (not just unlocked). This isn't always possible, but if the guild your in has 200k+ contribution and only 1 or 2 maps open, you can probably do better. 2. If someone in the guild says 'don't go for x shards or creatures' (this will happen), you need to decide if it's worth being in that guild. If they tell you to not go for ANY shards or creatures, I'll tell you now, it's not worth it. 3. Energy farming guilds will get you more 5 star shards and 4star creatures than small guilds, unless those small guilds are MADE for helping out newbies (I've yet to find one of these). You'll also have the opportunity to farm more gold in these, map 2, 4 and 6 have reasonable amounts of 'sacrifice' creatures, which will net you almost 500k every time. There are some great points here. Yes, there are some guilds that do negotiate a deal with others to come in and clear maps, but not all of them are this open about it. I personally don't have a problem if all parties understand the situation, but this is not always the case. Thanks for the tips Unrequited, whoever you may be.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Oct 15, 2015 14:20:24 GMT
I deleted the last thread because it was getting out of hand, if I see anyone attacking anyone else on this thread, there will be consequences. Is there a moderator senior to you? I would like to speak to them please. Meanwhile, anyone with suspect guilds PM me or use Line rather than post names here please. I would prefer not to have the mods delete this thread if they deem it is 'getting out of hand' based on whatever personal criteria they use. Excuse me? Personally attacking other players is ok for you? Or does that criteria not suit your fancies? If I wanted to delete the thread for the sake of deleting it, this one would have been gone as well.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 15, 2015 14:53:05 GMT
uh i believe the only mod senior to inperial darkbess is xerksping the hierachy is like this
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Oct 15, 2015 15:03:27 GMT
uh i believe the only mod senior to inperial darkbess is xerksping the hierachy is like this Creator and Admin :Xerksping Administrators Moderators Senior Members Anyone Else Also Hitmus
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 15:10:00 GMT
I was the 1st one on that previous thread to ask for mod intervention and i completly agree with the action taken by ÐARҞNESS because things were geting a bit out of control. Deleting the thread was the right thing to do. Nothing there to see other than 2 players acusing each other and no way of verifying who was right. That could do serious damage the image of a player/guild when in fact nothing happened. The same way i agree with countzero for opening this thread. As long as things are kept civil this kind of behaviour should be condemned and having a thread with said guilds and/or players can be a good thing to prevent new players from being exploited. With that said this thread can also become a very dangerous place. Blaming players and guilds with good names and that dont practice this kind of exploits by someone just out of spite is way too easy. If we are going to take action and make a list like this (and i already said i have nothing against it), people need to be very carefull when deciding who goes there and not. Because otherwise i can see more harm than good out of this, in which case i vote that the mods just put an end to it and forbid all similar threads in the forum.
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Post by pinpin on Oct 15, 2015 15:16:13 GMT
I agree with somar. I believe my guildmate is just trying to raise awareness about this issue and to atleast give new players the knowledge to make an informed decision. As for anything else, I think anyone who is offended by this for whatever reason and would like to justify or explain their reasoning should contact us via Line app. No need to make a public spectacle of it.
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Post by ahriman on Oct 15, 2015 15:54:08 GMT
I agree with somar. I believe my guildmate is just trying to raise awareness about this issue and to atleast give new players the knowledge to make an informed decision. As for anything else, I think anyone who is offended by this for whatever reason and would like to justify or explain their reasoning should contact us via Line app. No need to make a public spectacle of it.
Line I.D: nip2nip Jesus man lay off the bold font. Somehow my ears are ringing from reading your post. Other than that, IMO, it is generally "forum code" that you do not accuse specific user names of wrongdoings in public forum. However, giving general awareness to bad practices (as this thread is doing) is perfectly fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:20:35 GMT
I contacted IGG about this about 3 weeks ago and they told me it was up to the players choice what they allow for their guilds.
IGG allows
Guild Hopping Guilds to Be Stolen Discouragement of younger guilds and players
You should never give anyone a GM/Captain spot if you choose to let them help you unlock maps. They will steal your guild. We here at TGF do not partake in Guild Hopping/Stealing Guilds or Using New members Energy/Guild. Until they change Contribution so you can have multiple good maps open weekly it will never change.
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Post by ittadakimaas on Oct 15, 2015 16:31:37 GMT
1. Make sure you're in a guild that has at least three or four maps OPEN (not just unlocked). This isn't always possible, but if the guild your in has 200k+ contribution and only 1 or 2 maps open, you can probably do better. ^ Words of wisdom! Small caveat: if a guild has only 1-2 maps unlocked, then they can unfortunately not do anything about how many they have open. We should probably not discourage people from joining such guilds because that just discourages new guilds from forming / growing. If a guild has all maps unlocked, high value of stored energy contribution, and still only 1-2 maps unlocked, then -- unless you have spoken to the leaders and trust them / know exactly what is going on, might be best to move on to a different one!
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Post by ssgwilder on Oct 15, 2015 17:00:03 GMT
I couldn't more with the awareness that this thread is posting! Some players are probably reading this thread and thinking to themselves, "that happened to me", know you aren't alone and that is a dirty practice. If you're going to join a guild, do your homework. Not all guilds allow me players to the game to join and stay. I was in a guild for quite some time that had a dictator as a GM. Took me a while to see it though. I'm in a much better place now!
Thanks, TheNamelessSoldier
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Post by berseker on Oct 15, 2015 17:02:58 GMT
hey all!
I really like this thread, cause it put the light on a situation happening for a long time; in our team we have taken some people in that came saying "i was kicked out of my previous guild without reason"; i wonder how many guilds are currently doing this? now that this issue will be known by more and more people...it will be harder for those guilds to continue doing this.
And about deleting a thread...maybe a better solution would be to delete the comment of the person out of line (and that person should be banned of forum)....i think it isnt necesary to delete an entire thread cause of some out of line posts.
Finally, my respects to the persons interested in alerting players about this situation.
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Post by zerole on Oct 15, 2015 17:16:25 GMT
This sounds like some predatory behavior that can dampen the growth of the DH community.
As some minor precautions I suggest:
1) Joining a Guild with a shard distribution system 2) Avoid Guilds that stock more contribution than what's needed to open Map 6
Sadly I've got a feeling that most of the victims of this practice probably don't use this forum (and instead use the search feature).
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Post by daoze✪NFS on Oct 15, 2015 17:17:25 GMT
I deleted the last thread because it was getting out of hand, if I see anyone attacking anyone else on this thread, there will be consequences. Is there a moderator senior to you? I would like to speak to them please. Meanwhile, anyone with suspect guilds PM me or use Line rather than post names here please. I would prefer not to have the mods delete this thread if they deem it is 'getting out of hand' based on whatever personal criteria they use. ÐARҞNESS is a good moderator. The previous thread was indeed gettiung out of hand and ÐARҞNESS did the right thg to delete it As far as i know i can remember the guild name was .... think i had better stop stirring s*** about other guild. what they do is nothing for/against me.
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