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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 22:32:01 GMT
Royal Guard - The level 1 skill/talents (s)he comes with are enough 2x Stabthrough Graboid Stabthrough Border Ranger Stabthrough Swordmaster Spirit Siren. That's it. It's a pretty easy deck to make but you need access to map 10 to farm the Graboids. Using manual play you can beat almost anything with that. Royal Guard is a 4 star hero isnt it, not that easy for me to get right now.. but okay... Dont have any of those in the list, might have 1 border ranger... and cant even get to map 10 yet, not even on my old account...
But thanks for the info at least...
Royal Guard is a 4* hero yes - (s)he's not required at all to be honest but can give you a bit of extra leeway by keeping your creatures alive an extra round. If you're not at map 10 though you'd need to be extremely lucky to get enough copies of any of the creatures to make a Stab deck, except maybe Border Ranger who can drop semi-frequently from mazes. You don't really 'need' Stab decks until about map 13 anyway. Without one I doubt I'd be halfway through map 13 though.
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 22:36:29 GMT
Royal Guard is a 4 star hero isnt it, not that easy for me to get right now.. but okay... Dont have any of those in the list, might have 1 border ranger... and cant even get to map 10 yet, not even on my old account...
But thanks for the info at least...
Royal Guard is a 4* hero yes - (s)he's not required at all to be honest but can give you a bit of extra leeway by keeping your creatures alive an extra round. If you're not at map 10 though you'd need to be extremely lucky to get enough copies of any of the creatures to make a Stab deck, except maybe Border Ranger who can drop semi-frequently from mazes. You don't really 'need' Stab decks until about map 13 anyway. Without one I doubt I'd be halfway through map 13 though. Ermmm okay.. wel good to know that he isnt a must, cause a bit hard to obtain him when already trying to get wight right now and having 0 shards for royal guard, having to go for that all of a sudden would set me back again
but yeah, stab decks are needed in higher maps kinda is what you are saying so I do need to think ahead and work towards making one to beat those at least.. if possible before the nerf/balancing...
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 19, 2015 22:37:25 GMT
tl;dr - OP claims stab is being nerfed, while in fact its being balanced - OP doesn't realize how broken stab is - OP STILL doesn't realize how game ruining stab is - OP wants compensation for stabthrough getting balanced because it was overpowered - OP still wants compensation for something that was completely overpowered and broken, now being balanced Naruto, you speak as though revive isn't overpowered. It is. Maybe you just don't think so because you were extraordinarily lucky and got 2 in a very short time. You come across as very elitist even though surely you must know how easy stab is to beat in PVP. You have changed so much since you first started releasing videos...and not for the better. I'm disappointed. Sorry, this made me laugh, you're comparing a card that needs to be bought with gems to free cards that can do more than what this one card does?
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 22:38:38 GMT
tl;dr - OP claims stab is being nerfed, while in fact its being balanced - OP doesn't realize how broken stab is - OP STILL doesn't realize how game ruining stab is - OP wants compensation for stabthrough getting balanced because it was overpowered - OP still wants compensation for something that was completely overpowered and broken, now being balanced Naruto, you speak as though revive isn't overpowered. It is. Maybe you just don't think so because you were extraordinarily lucky and got 2 in a very short time. You come across as very elitist even though surely you must know how easy stab is to beat in PVP. You have changed so much since you first started releasing videos...and not for the better. I'm disappointed. Comparing broken stab with revive LOL.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 22:40:17 GMT
Royal Guard is a 4* hero yes - (s)he's not required at all to be honest but can give you a bit of extra leeway by keeping your creatures alive an extra round. If you're not at map 10 though you'd need to be extremely lucky to get enough copies of any of the creatures to make a Stab deck, except maybe Border Ranger who can drop semi-frequently from mazes. You don't really 'need' Stab decks until about map 13 anyway. Without one I doubt I'd be halfway through map 13 though. Ermmm okay.. wel good to know that he isnt a must, cause a bit hard to obtain him when already trying to get wight right now and having 0 shards for royal guard, having to go for that all of a sudden would set me back again
but yeah, stab decks are needed in higher maps kinda is what you are saying so I do need to think ahead and work towards making one to beat those at least.. if possible before the nerf/balancing...
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I'll send you a PM, this is getting way off-topic.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 22:44:00 GMT
Naruto, you speak as though revive isn't overpowered. It is. Maybe you just don't think so because you were extraordinarily lucky and got 2 in a very short time. You come across as very elitist even though surely you must know how easy stab is to beat in PVP. You have changed so much since you first started releasing videos...and not for the better. I'm disappointed. Sorry, this made me laugh, you're comparing a card that needs to be bought with gems to free cards that can do more than what this one card does? You can laugh all you want but it doesn't make it less true. The truth is good luck countering a deck with 2 revives melded in it..significantly more difficult than countering stab. Stab is a gimmick in PVP... You gonna complain about high magic damage decks?
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 22:48:30 GMT
Sorry, this made me laugh, you're comparing a card that needs to be bought with gems to free cards that can do more than what this one card does? You can laugh all you want but it doesn't make it less true. The truth is good luck countering a deck with 2 revives melded in it..significantly more difficult than countering stab. Stab is a gimmick in PVP... You gonna complain about high magic damage decks? LOL. Revive is so freakig easy to counter cmon. beat map 14 with any 5 cards combination except stab?
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 22:56:03 GMT
Hey guys look! A guy from Royals is saying revive is "so freaking easy to counter!" What do you guys think of that? Also then compares this pvp issue (revive) to map issue lol! It's just comical...why would you possibly care about if people can get through the map or not? Literally no effect on your game.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 22:56:23 GMT
You can laugh all you want but it doesn't make it less true. The truth is good luck countering a deck with 2 revives melded in it..significantly more difficult than countering stab. Stab is a gimmick in PVP... You gonna complain about high magic damage decks? LOL. Revive is so freakig easy to counter cmon. beat map 14 with any 5 cards combination except stab? I'm truly sorry nfs went crazy over stab but this is your own guild problems. I told Hitmus months ago on line to expect a stab nerf. Every Top members saw stab nerf Comming, yet some of you still went with multiple stab decks for tourney. You went 1 dimension, you pay the price for it.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 22:58:09 GMT
Hey guys look! A guy from Royals is saying revive is "so freaking easy to counter!" What do you guys think of that? Also then compares this pvp issue (revive) to map issue lol! It's just comical...why could you possibly care about if people can get through the map or not? Literally no effect on your game. How it doesn't affect my gameplay? ofc retreat queen t and melded Michael suck...lol
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Post by ℜ★Trun on Sept 19, 2015 23:00:17 GMT
You can laugh all you want but it doesn't make it less true. The truth is good luck countering a deck with 2 revives melded in it..significantly more difficult than countering stab. Stab is a gimmick in PVP... You gonna complain about high magic damage decks? LOL. Revive is so freakig easy to counter cmon. beat map 14 with any 5 cards combination except stab? This is pretty much the point. Revive may be strong but is only as good as the team of cards around it. if you can't protect a revive its not worth very much. Stab atm is being melded to whatever sweeping blow cards people can get and thrown in a deck that is doing pretty well. Yes stab can be countered but it compared to more costly harder to build teams stab has very limited counters. Also no matter what you think of Greedy IGG or anything first things first this games job is to bring a profit to IGG. The fact that such an easy to obtain deck is so strong and so simple to build as melding a skill gotten from a 2s card to any card with sweeping blow is bad for the games income and is not good for the long term profits of the game which could effect IGGS investment back in to the game and new features being added
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:00:56 GMT
They aint gonna be a match for your rare 5* heroes and your crazy revive melds lol. How can you even talk when a bunch of you guys have dragonlord/revive or fafnir/revive etc etc. We aren't gonna mess up your game play...don't worry.
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:11:37 GMT
Let me ask, why do you guys think stab is broken?
I have finished map 14 with stab yes, but i havent completed the stars yet, why? Cause the limitation of stab deck is that its hard to beat maps that require you to kill all creatures. To those who claim they got dragonlord with stab deck, do you honestly think you can beat all maps with just stab deck, specially killing all creature maps? To those saying all you need is 5 creature with siren, can you beat maps that require health on your hero with just stab? i guess that would require different set of deck right? Meaning different cards, hero, stratregy.
Now about pvp (arena, tournament in general), lets talk about the most hated 3* stab card, border ranger, have you guys seen a mass of border rangers on a deck for top 100? Cause if thats only what it take to be on top 100, then i must say people on 300-400 ranks will beat the s*** out of those in rank 100. Cmon guys lets be honest and realistic, you think border ranger with stab can beat the s*** out of Mikhal? Point again is border ranger is cheap (but not free) but it does not mean you got this and poof instant number 1. And i know you guys know more how to beat stab deck.
So please enlighten me, why does stab deserve a balance as they say, compared to other skills? I can say immnunity is OP cause i cant cast magic on that creature. But is immunity all it takes to become number 1? No. Same with stabthrough.
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Post by new member on Sept 19, 2015 23:15:46 GMT
They aint gonna be a match for your rare 5* heroes and your crazy revive melds lol. How can you even talk when a bunch of you guys have dragonlord/revive or fafnir/revive etc etc. We aren't gonna mess up your game play...don't worry. A basic Stab deck can beat Judge, Overlord and Thor easy so is stab not broken? I have a basic stab deck & it wins against most 5* hero decks..
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 23:19:45 GMT
I got to rank 12 in tournament with stab. No way a guy like me, with ONLY 2x rec 1, and no rec 2/revive should be anywhere near the top players.God a barely have any melded 5*...I beated ton of Oceanus, judge, Thor, overlord...actually any deck except a really good pred deck with my noob stab deck. It shouldn't happen.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 19, 2015 23:21:31 GMT
Sorry, this made me laugh, you're comparing a card that needs to be bought with gems to free cards that can do more than what this one card does? You can laugh all you want but it doesn't make it less true. The truth is good luck countering a deck with 2 revives melded in it..significantly more difficult than countering stab. Stab is a gimmick in PVP... You gonna complain about high magic damage decks? The truth is build a strong deck and revive is nothing. I have two recycle one's and I beat revive decks, how about using some of what they've been throwing about? What was it? Ah yes, strategy.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:25:24 GMT
They aint gonna be a match for your rare 5* heroes and your crazy revive melds lol. How can you even talk when a bunch of you guys have dragonlord/revive or fafnir/revive etc etc. We aren't gonna mess up your game play...don't worry. A basic Stab deck can beat Judge, Overlord and Thor easy so is stab not broken? I have a basic stab deck & it wins against most 5* hero decks.. Well...it can't beat Judge if the person made it properly (see top players skills on it). Overlord is worse than Wight in many instances so I won't bother with that. Thor is a really big offensive hero, though it can certainly be spec'ed for defense and be amazing. However, you also have to remember that Thor is human, so if they have human creatures, they are gonna have a rough time vs neander (even berserker). Faen is definitely the counter to stab, but I guarantee you wouldn't beat a Thor deck with a bunch of FA creatures with your stab deck. You couldn't dent it. This is literally the definition of balance (edit: and strategy..inserted for the poster above's comments).
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 23:31:30 GMT
Beated many top 100 tournameny player Judge decks with stab...and since when is fa a stab counter? Unless the creature got block...let's all make 10 block frost ranger !!!!
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:35:41 GMT
Beated many top 100 tournameny player Judge decks with stab...and since when is fa a stab counter? Unless the creature got block...let's all make 10 block frost ranger !!!! No idea how you did enough dmg...barely any goes through and then your creatures are left exposed.
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Post by new member on Sept 19, 2015 23:36:12 GMT
it can't beat Judge if the person made it properly (see top players skills on it). Overlord is worse than Wight in many instances so I won't bother with that. Thor is a really big offensive hero, though it can certainly be spec'ed for defense and be amazing. However, you also have to remember that Thor is human, so if they have human creatures, they are gonna have a rough time vs neander (even berserker). Faen is definitely the counter to stab, but I guarantee you wouldn't beat a Thor deck with a bunch of FA creatures with your stab deck. You couldn't dent it. This is literally the definition of balance (edit: and strategy..inserted for the poster above's comments).[/quote][br
FA doesnt do anything against stab.. Once u hit FA cards & does damage it will still hit the hero.. I beat OP Judge, Ocea decks in arena with my stab.. I think you meant block instead of FA?
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:40:07 GMT
LOL. Revive is so freakig easy to counter cmon. beat map 14 with any 5 cards combination except stab? I'm truly sorry nfs went crazy over stab but this is your own guild problems. I told Hitmus months ago on line to expect a stab nerf. Every Top members saw stab nerf Comming, yet some of you still went with multiple stab decks for tourney. You went 1 dimension, you pay the price for it. I would highly suggest for you to stop generalizing NFS I don't know how a mod in this forum can follow that path of logic. Oh and btw just because you are a Royal members doesn't make you a almighty wise DH player Some Royal members have gotten through using stab deck too, so please keep nfs out of your mouth and have a logical argument against the forum members
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Sept 19, 2015 23:40:08 GMT
When you get Stabthrough Runes up to level 8+ Frost Armor means almost nothing.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:44:47 GMT
When you get Stabthrough Runes up to level 8+ Frost Armor means almost nothing. Thanks for the info Diana. Mine are at 6 so I wasn't aware.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 23:45:13 GMT
I'm truly sorry nfs went crazy over stab but this is your own guild problems. I told Hitmus months ago on line to expect a stab nerf. Every Top members saw stab nerf Comming, yet some of you still went with multiple stab decks for tourney. You went 1 dimension, you pay the price for it. I would highly suggest for you to stop generalizing NFS I don't know how a mod in this forum can follow that path of logic. Oh and btw just because you are a Royal members doesn't make you a almighty wise DH player Some Royal members have gotten through using stab deck too, so please keep nfs out of your mouth and have a logical argument against the forum members I'm talking about NFS top members in tournament, that's why I said SOME members and no all. I don't generalize as you said, I look at peoples def deck. Did I ever bring Royal in? As fas I know, every single Royal members use a stab deck, what is your point? We still are all in favor of a stab nerf. And I will voice my opinion as much as I want, mod or not.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 19, 2015 23:45:23 GMT
I'm truly sorry nfs went crazy over stab but this is your own guild problems. I told Hitmus months ago on line to expect a stab nerf. Every Top members saw stab nerf Comming, yet some of you still went with multiple stab decks for tourney. You went 1 dimension, you pay the price for it. Some Royal members have gotten through using stab deck too, so please keep nfs out of your mouth and have a logical argument against the forum members Ofcourse, why wouldn't we. It's very overpowered and cheap. The only difference is that some of NFS players, I repeat some of NFS players are expecting (huge) compensation for something that is completely broken and now being balanced. Again I repeat, some NFS players, not everyone. I know a few NFS guys who saw it coming and is rather happy with the balancing.
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 23:49:56 GMT
Some Royal members have gotten through using stab deck too, so please keep nfs out of your mouth and have a logical argument against the forum members Ofcourse, why wouldn't we. It's very overpowered and cheap. The only difference is that some of NFS players, I repeat some of NFS players are expecting (huge) compensation for something that is completely broken and now being balanced. Again I repeat, some NFS players, not everyone. I know a few NFS guys who saw it coming and is rather happy with the balancing. Thank you I feel like some members are just trying to spike up fights in this thread just because of their status in the game. Some NFS members are toward some against We can all say what we want but we need to follow a logical way of approaching things
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Sept 20, 2015 0:19:30 GMT
When you get Stabthrough Runes up to level 8+ Frost Armor means almost nothing. Thanks for the info Diana. Mine are at 6 so I wasn't aware. Think about it, with 40,000 HP, each level of Stabthrough Rune (0.5% Max HP) is 200 HP. At level 9, that's 1,800 HP per hit that doesn't include actual damage, just Rune damage alone.
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Post by Absoul on Sept 20, 2015 0:31:40 GMT
My stab deck can beat any judgement or oceanus deck on offense pretty consistently in tournament lol. It doesn't matter how good the enemy deck is, a good stab deck can wreck any other top deck.
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Post by thundergod on Sept 20, 2015 0:41:32 GMT
Cmon guys lets be honest and realistic, you think border ranger with stab can beat the s*** out of Mikhal? Point again is border ranger is cheap (but not free) but it does not mean you got this and poof instant number 1. The first time I ever beat Mikhal in tournament was when I had one of the most basic stab decks around against his Oceanus. I had Royal Guard with 1 Graboid, 2 Techno Chiefs, 2 Swordmasters, 4 Border Rangers and a Spirit Siren. The Border Rangers played a significant part of the win, so yes the border ranger army has even beaten Mikhal once.
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Post by pinpin on Sept 20, 2015 0:45:40 GMT
Well...special thanks to hitmus for creating a thread that has stirred up much discussion and debate. Nice to see a lot of interest and participation. That being said......
Honestly, I don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. I'd rather it wasn't so it would force us to develop strategies against it and further evolve the game we all love to play. Seems to me that igg is nerfing it due to many players advancing in certain game areas and they can't cope with that. So instead of making the game more challenging, they might decide to nerf a strategy that we players came up with. Take a bow folks! we have surpassed the projections from the game developers to the point they can't keep up! As for pvp? Well that all depends on us isn't it? It's a shame I think if they nerf it. I believe someone would have came up with an ideal counter for that strategy. That's mu opinion anyways.
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